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Ex Pats can now vote in the UK General Elections thanks to the Tory Party ,who changed the law for this to happen thinking it would bring more votes to help their ailing party. But it looks like it's going to rebound on them.. There are millions of expats who have vowed to get their revenge on the Tories for Brexit and how it has changed their lives abroad. Woo Hoo..🤣🤣 Lol
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// For the overwhelming majority of ex-Pats living in the EU, Brexit has made no significant difference to their lives whatsoever //
Until the authorities find out that they are living in their country illegally – and then they will be thrown out.
NJ seems to be one of those poor souls who was conned by Gove into believing nothing would change for them, post Brexit.
The British expats are no doubt the most affected by Brexit,who have been unable to have their say.Tens of thousands were disenfranchised because of the short time they had to return their ballot papers while swathes of Brits who had been out of the UK for more than fifteen years were not even allowed a vote.If the expats had not been locked out the result would have been very different.Now is the time to get even with The Cameron and Johnson Brigade . Bring it on.
"Whether it's one extra vote or millions, one extra vote from an ex-pat etc."
Of course it could, Corby.
But the OP is trying to have us believe that more than 3m people are suddenly all going to register to vote and vote Labour because the Conservative party enabled Brexit. And that certainly ain't necessarily so.
"Until the authorities find out that they are living in their country illegally – and then they will be thrown out."
And why shouldn't they be? Anybody at large in a foreign country without permision to stay there should not expect to remain unmolested. It was no secret that UK ex-pats in the EU would be required to apply for settled status. The vast majority did and have had no problems. It's no use you saying "they should not have had to." They were required to do so and if they did not that was their problem.
"NJ seems to be one of those poor souls who was conned by Gove into believing nothing would change for them, post Brexit."
I was conned by no politicians before I cast my vote. As I've said (many times) before, nothing any of them said made the slightest difference to the way I voted and nor was it ever likely to.
As well as that, I voted to leave in the firm expectation that things would change for EU people here and for UK people in the EU. I would have been disappointed if they had not because I wanted things to change, not remain the same. If people listened to Mr Gove and particularly if they believed what he said, they were foolish.
//And why shouldn't they be? Anybody at large in a foreign country without permision to stay there should not expect to remain unmolested//
Anyone watching Gove in this video (pre-brexit vote) would have been left in no doubt their rights would be respected in the event of a Brexit vote – what a scumbag.
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"Anyone watching Gove in this video (pre-brexit vote) would have been left in no doubt their rights would be respected in the event of a Brexit vote – what a scumbag."
But.....
"If people listened to Mr Gove and particularly if they believed what he said, they were foolish."
I'm sorry to harp on about this, but people should work on the assumption that all politicians tells lies. If they don't, it's their fault. It's an easy lesson to learn and if it isn't taught in schools (which I believe it ought to be) it can be gathered within a few months of taking an interest in politics.
There were plenty of lives from both camps during the referendum campaign. You've highlighted one from Mr Gove. Here's George Osborne's statement to Parliament a few weeks before the vote:
From the Executive Summary:
"A vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession [it didn't] and lead to an increase in unemployment of around 500,000 [it didn't], GDP would be 3.6% smaller [it wasn't], average real wages would be lower [they were not] inflation higher [it wasn't], sterling weaker [it was - one of the only predictions to be realised], house prices would be hit [they were not] and public borrowing would rise
compared with a vote to remain [impossible to tell because nobody knows what it would have otherwise have been].
These were billed as "immediate and profound shocks" and it was said they would happen, not that they might and it was said they would happen immediately. It was quite definitive. But virtually none of them happened.
So do you consider Mr Osborne to be a "scumbag". I don't. He's a politician. He wanted me to vote to remain. I don't hold any grudge and would not have done so had the vote been to remain. I couldn't care less what he said because I did not take a blind bit of notice of his utterances or those of any other politician. I commend everybody to do the same.
As an 'expat' domiciled within the EU for 19 years, but still retaining a property in the UK until 12 years ago, I have always been able to vote and will now be able to continue to vote in UK elections, - which will this time be for Reform UK, btw.
There has never been any perceptual inconveniences caused by Brexit except perhaps a few minor irritations in postal services (which seem to be universally worsening anyway).
But the truly massive advantage of being a British citizen domiciled in Germany is the health care. We receive absolutely first-class treatment which is paid for by the British NHS (which I have contributed into for decades, & still pay high taxes there) for any actual health issues as well as in the form of preventive health care and dentistry.
If health, climate, good food, wines and beers are important to you, think about it - it isn't rocket science! Though I do miss my good pubs, - though on each return even they seem to be disappearing.
Britain is subsiding under a tide of wokeism and Islamification and unless its residents get off their backsides & establish a sensible government, I'm afraid the future looks dire.
Khandro 22.39("As an expat domiciled in the EU for 19 years) Tread very very careful with thinking you are no longer domiciled in the UK ..no matter how many years you have been living on the outside . You don't have the privilege to decide your domicility .HMRC UK will decide for you when the time comes.In the meantime make sure you do not have A UK Bank account no property owned in the UK and no premium saving bonds or any Uk investments .Because the choice aint yours as many many expats have found out.
“I can't believe it! You've just called some brexit voters foolish!”
Anybody who chooses which way to vote, be it for the Parish Council, in a General Election or a referendum, based on what politicians have said, is foolish. All sorts of lies, from both sides, were propagated during the referendum campaign (and what Hymie and I have posted demonstrates this perfectly). You don’t have to be very long in the tooth to have learned this principle; I realised it not long after I began to vote. So, yes, if people voted to leave based on what politicians like Mr Gove had told them, they were indeed foolish. If the things that Mr Gove promised wouldn’t happen were important to them, they should have voted to remain. Equally there will be people who listened to Mr Osborne when he made his presentation to Parliament, took heed of all he said, and so decided, based on that, we ought to remain. Both groups were duped into voting possibly against their better instincts.
History is littered with politicians’ broken promises and they thrive on such gullibility. Every time somebody posts on here that “Boris Johnson told me this would happen” or “Michael Gove told me that wouldn’t happen” (or insert the politician and statement of your choice) I offer the same response: more fool you for believing them.
Voters should vote on the basis of their experiences; what they have witnessed that has happened. They should use that to form their own opinion of what is likely to happen in the future. That is the only reliable information they will get to help them decide which way to vote. If they listen to the various charlatans, snake-oil merchants, deadbeats and scrimshankers who describe themselves as “politicians” then they only have themselves to blame.
14.28 Khandro. That is my point, you and like a lot of expats although you have not lived in the UK for many years still come under the UK rules of domicility .Although in your post at 22,29 .You claim to be Domiciled within the EU as in your case Germany. Under common law it is not possible to be Domiciled in two countries at the same time.There is a big difference between Domicility , Citizenship, and permanent residency.
“There is a big difference between Domicility , Citizenship, and permanent residency.”
Indeed there is, the finer details of which you clearly seem to be unfamiliar with.
Khandro is not claiming to be domicile in two countries at once (which, as you correctly say, is not possible).
“That is my point, you and like a lot of expats although you have not lived in the UK for many years still come under the UK rules of domicility .”
Not so. Assuming Khandro has taken Germany as his “assumed domicile of choice” this is his domicile under English Common Law. This can only be overridden by statute if he is subject to be “deemed domicile in the UK”. This can only be applicable if he had been tax resident in the UK for more than 15 out of the previous 20 tax years. From what he tells us, he hasn’t.
"New Judge 19,46 When the time comes for the domicility to be decided for expats, not even you will have a say in the decision it will all be down to the good old HMRC of the good old UK."
It's already decided. A person retains his chosen domicile outside the UK unless he is resident here (in the UK) for tax purposes for 15 of the previous 20 years. He then loses his chosen domicile and is deemed domicile in the UK (over which he has no choice).
It is nothing to do with Brexit, HMRC or me. That principle is laid down in Common Law and the Income Tax Act 2007. I don't know of any proposals to change the law. Do you?
If you're going to stray from your usual drivel and start joining in with the grown ups, you need to get your facts organised first. Your post at 12:06 illustrates perfectly that you haven't done that and it shows that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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