They Just Can't Help It Can They

[gulliver1]

First we had Boris Lying every time the mouth opened.  Now we have Sunak keeping up the Tory Lies. As Sunak Blatantly  tells voters that households would be hit with a £2,000 pa extra tax bill.Amounting to a £38  billion tax hit.If they vote LABOUR. And now Sunak has to Apologise Because it was another Tory lie .How desperate this lot are.

[Hopkirk]

It's you that should apologise for lying.

[naomi24]

Where is his apology?

[youngmafbog]

Sunak should be appologising because its going to be a lot more than 2K a year for most people.

[gulliver1]

Three negative anwers .From three very negative people.

[newmodarmy]

Perhaps gulliver can post a link to clear this up and show he isn't telling porkies again. Or perhaps not.

[10ClarionSt]

It IS a lie. It was made up by saying two and three's four and five's eleven. 

[gramps85]

From experience of previous Labour Governments, Atlee, Wilson, Blair, I believe he was telling the truth.

[gulliver1]

The Tories can lie and lie until the fourth of july.

And then the game will be up for the Tories, as they hope they can make it to the opposition benches .Before  the Lib Dems beat them to it

[naomi24]

Gulliver, where is the apology - or is your OP not true?

[Atheist]

I heard on Radio four earlier today that Sunak (in his head to head with Starmer) had said something which was not true (not necessarily a lie, but not true). I think it was something to do with money, tax or spending or soething. There's a BBC fact check programme whose name I can't remember.

Perhaps someone else might have heard it. Sorry I can't be more precise.

[naomi24]

I'd like to know where Gulliver got it from.

[Ellipsis]

> There's a BBC fact check programme whose name I can't remember. Perhaps someone else might have heard it. Sorry I can't be more precise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6ppnw1k6nyo

Like the Conservatives, Labour has promised not to increase income tax, National Insurance or VAT during the next Parliament, but Rishi Sunak said: "Independent Treasury officials have costed Labour's policies and they amount to a £2,000 tax rise for every working family."

That quote risks misleading people, and the prime minister mentioned the £2,000 figure nine times during the debate.

As well as the £2,000 figure being questionable, it's really totting up more than £500 a year extra over four years, which is not what you would normally think of if somebody said your taxes were going up by £2,000.

The figure is based on adding up how much the Conservatives claim Labour’s spending plans would cost - using some dubious assumptions - and dividing this by the number of UK households with at least one person working.

The Conservatives say the costings have been worked out by impartial civil servants, but a letter seen by the BBC from the top civil servant at the Treasury says the calculation of Labour's plans costing £38.5bn overall (and therefore £2,000 per household over four years) "should not be presented as having been produced by the Civil Service".

James Bowler wrote: “As you will expect, civil servants were not involved in the production or representation of the Conservative Party's document 'Labour Tax Rises' or in the calculation of the total figure used.”

And so on and so on ...

[youngmafbog]

Spin it how you like, it will cost the public 2K (Well a lot more in reality when you add in the other things they will do).

[naomi24]

Where's the apology, Gulliver?

[douglas9401]

Good grief, boggle-eyedness abounds.

It's there in black and white yet we still get yerbutnobut.

[naomi24]

Where?

[douglas9401]

The terminological inexactitude, not the apology.

[naomi24]

Quite.  

[douglas9401]

I'm fairly sure that the wee man will pop up with a clarification and mumbled apology for unintentionally using inaccuracy to bolster his case though.

 

[Ellipsis]

More likely he will double down 🤮