With Friends Like These......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxxz799vxko

....who needs enemies. Talk about a flat earther! unbelievable! Must be a union boss!

[Old_Geezer]

The defence has to grab any angle they can, even when laughable. One can never be sure that any final decision will be the obvious sane one.

[Hopkirk]

His 'union' is funded by the post office 

[naomi24]

There's something seriously wrong with him.

[rockyracoon]

What an absolute moron.

[andy-hughes]

It depends on your definition of 'robust'.

Plenty of commercial aircraft work 'robustly' but if one falls out of the sky, it's practice to ground all the rest while they find out why.

Just because machines work well most of the time doesn't make them infallible. 

[naomi24]

Anyone with an iota of sense would have asked why suddenly so many postmasters of previous good character were taking to crime.  It is a scandal.  It is shameful.  The man is an absolute moron.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Anyone with an iota of sense would have asked why suddenly so many postmasters of previous good character were taking to crime.  It is a scandal.  It is shameful.  The man is an absolute moron. //

I am sure you, and I, are far from alone in asking that question.

"Wow, suddenly several hundred of our previously honest sub-postmasters are on the fiddle, but we have had a new computer system, could it be that? No, they must be fiddling ..."

You can only put it down to the rank moral cowardice of management not being willing to own up that they were sold a pup that had not had its bugs ironed out properly before being put into service.

The immorality of it makes my head hurt - I couldn't watch the drama of the story, my television would have been in mortal danger!

[10ClarionSt]

He may be right though. The Horizon system is still the one being used by the PO right now. But as far back as 2001, the PO were aware of the faults in the system. I still think that some of the senior people who dealt with the "fraud", are still of the opinion that some of the SPM's are going to get away with it and are as guilty as sin. That's what all the tears were about.

[andy-hughes]

10Clarion - // I still think that some of the senior people who dealt with the "fraud", are still of the opinion that some of the SPM's are going to get away with it and are as guilty as sin. That's what all the tears were about. //

But based on the fact that they clearly paid up for an insufficiently and rigoursly tested system which they then rolled out, if there is any fraud being hidden in the smoke, that is entirely the fault of management, and it should be added to the list of their shameful crimes against their staff.

[tomus42]

This deekheid has never been in any position to know how robust or otherwise the Horizon system was or is.

Gawd knows why he's claiming to.

[andy-hughes]

tomus - //

This deekheid has never been in any position to know how robust or otherwise the Horizon system was or is.

Gawd knows why he's claiming to. //

To whom is your post addressed?

[naomi24]

I didn't think it was addressed to anyone in particular.  Simply an observation.  

[Hopkirk]

The trouble is that whatever you think of him, a vote for Reform just increases Labour's majority to unhealthy levels.

[Hopkirk]

Oops. Wrong thread.

[Old_Geezer]

Wrong conclusion too; it's a vote for the Conservative party that does that 😉.

[tomus42]

There's no need to politicise it, but I see that you can't help yourself.

This person is simply either corrupt or monumentally stupid.

[tomus42]

AH //To whom is your post addressed?//

Sorry, just seen this.

The deekheid in question is the man that was supposed to be representing  the subpostmasters.

It's bizarre that he's saying these things.

 

[andy-hughes]

Thanks tomus.