Shameless Boris Says He Made A Mistake Apologising For Partygate.

[gulliver1]

Boris says the scandal from partygate was the downfall of him and the Cons. His apology was the beginning of the end of his days as PM. Now Defiant Johnson, rather than feeling a sense  of remorse claims his mistake was to Apologise for Partygate. I was just trying to defuse public anger with pathetic apologies even though I knew nothing about what I was apologising for. And the band played believe it if you like🤣

[ToraToraTora]

....and what is a proper democracy? example please.

[gulliver1]

As Boris said... "It's my party and I'll lie if I want to"....

[Ellipsis]

You didn't Google it, did you? Here's one result:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority

Supermajority rules in a democracy can help to prevent a majority from eroding fundamental rights of a minority, but can also hamper efforts to respond to problems and encourage corrupt compromises at times when action is taken. Changes to constitutions, especially those with entrenched clauses, commonly require supermajority support in a legislature. Parliamentary procedure requires that any action of a deliberative assembly that may alter the rights of a minority have a supermajority requirement, such as a two-thirds vote. In consensus democracy the supermajority rule is applied in most cases. ...

Robert's Rules of Order states: As a compromise between the rights of the individual and the rights of the assembly, the principle has been established that a two-thirds vote is required to adopt any motion that: (a) suspends or modifies a rule of order previously adopted; (b) prevents the introduction of a question for consideration; (c) closes, limits, or extends the limits of debate; (d) closes nominations or the polls, or otherwise limits the freedom of nominating or voting; or (e) takes away membership ...

A rare example of a supermajority requirement affecting the Parliament of the United Kingdom is the need for a two-thirds supermajority vote in both the House of Commons of the United Kingdom and the House of Lords to amend or dissolve the Royal Charter on self-regulation of the press, insofar as it applies in England and Wales.

[Deskdiary]

All very good, but irrelevant.

[Hymie]

I wonder if in 100 years or so, when say 99% of the UK population want to join the EU – children will be taught this is how democracy works; woe betide any child that asks if we shouldn’t have another referendum to gauge the will of the people.

[ToraToraTora]

So the only thing in living memory was Montenegro independence needing 55%, right oh! The rest are obscure US state stuff mostly over a century ago! PMSL! that's it is it?

Anything on a "proper democracy" ?

[ToraToraTora]

Hymie I'd go along with another referendum after a generation say 2041. Though I'd be surprised if the EUSSR is still about then, or either of us for that matter.

[Ellipsis]

Hmm, I did not mention Montenegro or the USA, I mentioned the UK.

[douglas9401]

Oh Tora, condolences on your impending demise.

[Hymie]

This youtube video includes an anecdote very pertinent to Ellipsis post above @20:17 re the Brexit vote.

 

[ToraToraTora]

20:26 ...and I asked you for any examples of a supermajority and those are the ones you gave me apart from fundemental royal charter things.

Brexit was just not that important.

Still nothing on a "Proper democracy"?

[gulliver1]

I Think Boris should be deported back to the Bronx in New York  from where he was born ..Bloody immigrant.... send him back.

[ToraToraTora]

You have a video from a heroin Junkie! PMSL! not helping your case there me old china!

[ToraToraTora]

20:26 am I being smited? First I've heard of it!

[Ellipsis]

> Brexit was just not that important.

That's a matter of opinion, especially for those who "won" with 37% of the electorate ...

[Hymie]

For those unable to watch the video – the anecdote is of someone speaking to Cameron (after he was bemoaning his fate following the Brexit vote), saying that ‘Not even my golf club changes the rules based on a simple majority’.

[ToraToraTora]

20:35 Now you are getting desperate!

[Ellipsis]

Golf is quite important ... especially when it comes to representation for women and black people. That must be a two thirds majority, surely.

[Deskdiary]

Hymie's wish for democracy. Let's just keep on having votes until he gets the outcome he wants.

[ToraToraTora]

I've been a member and on committee of countless clubs and the only thing I have ever known that needed anything other than a simple majority was the dissolution of the club. Just another shiop load of sour grapes from the remoaners.