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1 In Every 100 In Uk Is Illegal !
Why will nobody do anything ? Labour seems even worse than the Tories were. Only Reform UK seems to be serious about the issue.
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Of course it's about the ME war - that's where many of the refugees are coming from.
Labour is not as bad as the Tories who presided over the record level.
I love how these threads bring out the Xenophobes and their racist ravings - but give it a rest folks, we all now know who you are so stop re-advertising it. And we know you would love to insist these immigrants wear some form of identifier - a yellow star possibly.
"I think I heard on the wireless the other day that the death rate has outstripped the birth rate. If this continues our population will shrink."
And a very good thing that would be too, Sandy. There are far too many people in this country.
However, you only read half the story and as Tora says, that won't happen.
In 2023 there were 16,000 more deaths than births. However, net migration was 677,000 meaning the population grew by around 1% - the highest percentage since records began.
This increase (in just one year, remember) is equivalent to the population of Coventry and Bradford combined. And it doesn't include illegal migrants (whom the government may or may not know about). Those they know about are running at about 25,000 so far this year.
There is not a hope in hell of building sufficient accommodation to cater for growth on this scale. But that is just one aspect. Public services (in particular healthcare) are under severe pressure and in places are on the point of breaking or are already broken.
Unless anybody gets a grip on this problem (and whilst illegal immigration is problematic, legal migration presents a far bigger threat) more and more of these services will become unfit for purpose. I have to say, the new government shows no signs of doing so.
“Isn't it good that these young people, full of get up and go, and hopes to make a better life, have come here?”
It might be if they arrived legally, having obtained a visa and work permit, or whatever is necessary. Those coming in rubber boats arrive via the deceitful use of the asylum system. That system is not designed to enable people to “make a better life” in the destination of their choice. It is designed to provide a temporary safe haven for those in danger. People living in northern France are not in danger. Succour; they simply don’t like it where they are. All they are doing is circumventing he official route to settle in this country by simply declaring that “we’re coming whether you like it or not.” The way they should secure better life is to employ the great talents and chraceristics that you believe they hold to improve he lot for everybody in their country of origin. All Europe is doing by accommodating them is denying those countries of the people they need most.
“When we are old and in need of care some of these will be the ones providing it”
Again it might be if the particular “get up and go” they have would lead them down that path. For many it would not. That’s why the official route, where they are vetted before being allowed to come here should be the only way they are llowed to settle.
You do seem to have a rather idealistic view of a cohort whose first action when in reach of these shores is to break our laws by arriving from a safe place without leave to do so. Either that or you are a wind-up merchant.
"The fact that people of the Jewish race are among, if not the, most intelligent race on Earth."
the Site Rules forbid posts which discriminate on racial grounds.
“And we know you would love to insist these immigrants wear some form of identifier - a yellow star possibly.”
I wouldn’t. I’d much rather they were not here at all.
“I love how these threads bring out the Xenophobes and their racist ravings”
I have identified a number of problems (though there are many more besides) that this country faces which are being exacerbated by enormous numbers of people arriving here, both legally and illegally. I have concerns about those problems; they will get worse because the country simply does not have the resources or the ability to cope with such large numbers without the standard of living for those already here declining seriously.
That makes me neither xenophobic nor racist. The tactic of dismissing people with my concerns as such is the same tactic which was employed before Brexit – labelling people with opposing opinion as racists, xenophobes, “Little Englanders” or worse. Sensible discussion needs to be heard and not dismissed with insults.
“Of course it's about the ME war – “
Of course it’s not. The (latest) ME war has been ongoing for just one year. The problem of large scale illegal migration and asylum claims has been going on for decades. Claims hit more than 70,000 in each of the two years either side of the millennium, with 83,000 claims in 2002. After a quieter period in the 2010s they are now approaching those levels again.
"...that's where many of the refugees are coming from."
No I isn’t:
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"In 2023, 41% were nationals of Asian countries, with the largest individual Asian nationalities being Afghan, Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Vietnamese. The next largest regional groupings of nationalities were African (21%), Middle Eastern (19%) and European (13%). The largest individual nationalities among those who applied in 2023 were Afghan (7,800), Iranian (6,200), Indian (4,800), Pakistani (4,300), and Bangladeshi (3,900).
None of those countries were involved in the ME war in 2023; in fact as far as I can recall, none were at war at all. But even if they were, the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers are fit young men. If they cannot deal with war, how do they expect their older and less fit friends and relatives or the children to do so? I suppose you deem it aacceptable for them to *** off because they can, leaving those who cannot behind to (literally in some csaes) face the flak.
Whether they’re at war or not, their home countries are where they are needed, sorting out the problems there, not here washing cars or delivering burgers on scooters to people too lazy to cater for themselves. There is simply no argument for such people to be allowed to settle here.
sandyRoe 14:32,if these yong people coming here illegally how come their own countries are ***?
//“And we know you would love to insist these immigrants wear some form of identifier - a yellow star possibly.”//
Sod the yellow star. If it was a requirement for everyone in the UK to carry an identity card*, it would make it so much easier to detect just who these illegals are.
*This is a legal requirement in most civilized countries. As a domicile in a EU country I carry an extra credit card sized one in my wallet all the time I'm out, & have not the slightest problem with doing so.
Coincidentally yesterday there was this item on the news:
I referred to this road in Bristol in thread a few weeks ago. There was an article which centred on the excessive hours those living there have to work delivering food to people who cannot be bothered to cook or even fetch it for themselves.
These are just a small number of the multitudes that are arriving here who get involved in his type of work. It is doubtful whether many, if any, are paying any tax (if they earn enough to do so, that is); they are contributing little or nothing towards the wellbeing of the nation. Nobody would be any worse off if they were not here.
“Eddy Montgomery, Director of Enforcement, Compliance & Crime at Immigration Enforcement, said: “This operation sends a clear message to those who seek to exploit the labour market to employ workers illegally, and those who believe they can work here without the correct status.”
Actually it doesn’t. Those caravans have been there for years. I note the article refers to it as a “caravan park”. It is no such thing – it is simply caravans, some in a very poor state of repair, being parked at the side of the road. The status aand activities of the people living in them has been known for years. The seventeen who have been dealt with will be replaced by seventeen more. I use “dealt with” loosely because thirteen, we are told, “will potentially be removed from the UK” whilst the other four have been released and will presumably disappear into the ether to resume their enterprises elsewhere.
These people bring nothing whatsoever of any value to this country. And nor do most of the others who arrive in small boats. Until we have a government which accepts this and does something about it, it will continue.
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