Assisted Dying, Here's Where It Leads.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/depressed-and-desperate-to-die-has-assisted-dying-in-canada-crossed-the-line-13258336

"But although Canada's MAiD was originally intended to be used in exceptional circumstances, repeated challenges have extended the programme to include disability. " - remind you of anything?

[ToraToraTora]

for context here is my own standard statement when this comes up: "Every time this comes up I say the same thing. The cases cited are valid and they should be allowed. The problem is that the law will inevitably get misused. Pretty soon the right to die becomes the obligation to die. Then you’ll get unscrupulous relatives marching granny up to the death factory to nick her house. Framing a law that works for this is very difficult."

[youngmafbog]

Pretty much as I posted in another threas a couple of weeks back.

I am pro assisted dyoing but levels need to be put in place, laong the lines of 2/3 jusdges, 2/2 Independant cdoctors one of whom must be an expert int the filed sort of thing.

But my real worry is the ECHR being used to expand the scope.  It will happen.

As for Canada it looks like Son of Castro will be gone soon and they may get some sanity back,  we should learn from them.

[davebro3]

bolleaux

[ToraToraTora]

The problem is YMB that it gets legal challenges and scope creep. Canada is getting close to bumping off those with disabilities.

[youngmafbog]

I agree, but like I said hopefuly for them Son of Castro will be gone soon.

But we should learn (But Sir 2TK wont as he is arrogant).

[bhg481]

I am in the enviable position of having a wife and a daughter that I can trust absolutely to make the right decision for me, should the need arise. They both know my thoughts and I would feel quite deprived if I was left in suffering because they weren't allowed to make the decision on my behalf. I would even extend that to the situation if I get dementia.

[bednobs]

Even though it's a free vote personally I don't think it will get through. Which I think is a shame

[dave50]

Religion or the belief that human life is sacred (it isn't) should not be taken into account. If someone wants to.end their life then let them.

[Untitled]

". A law was passed in 2021 to extend MAiD to people with serious mental health problems"

this really does worry me. many people experience suicidal ideation and it has a high comorbidity with other forms of mental illness which are treatable. allowing such people to simply die amounts to euthanasia :/

[Untitled]

i think human life must be treated as sacred. the consequences of not doing so are horrifying indeed

[davebro3]

if you are talking "sacred" then you are straying into religious territory & that just doesn't wash with (us) atheists...

[youngmafbog]

Well I'm a staunch atheist and I agree with untitled (unusually). Perhaps sacred was not the best word but I understand the sentiment.

[davebro3]

I have always - well nearly always - thought that when life becomes intolerable (to me) I will want to end it myself by suicide. If I need help to do that then I hope that help will be available without legal consequences for those involved.

The alternative is to recognise that the end is coming & take the necessary action maybe earlier than I would really want.

[ToraToraTora]

12:16 yes, the idea is well meaning but looking at where it leads is frightening. Canada is traditionally a fairly liberal country yet they appear to be being led into a naziesque euthanasia by legal challenges and whataboutery.

[david small]

Human life sacred? Tell it to the Marines. 

[Untitled]

treated as sacred... there is a difference between doing that and actually believing something to be sacred. i don't think any of us would want to live in a society that treated human life as disposable. look at nazi germany or stalin's russia.

[Old_Geezer]

If a society is civilised enough to know this is mainly an individual's right of choice and bring it in, then they should be civilised enough to ensure that abuse, both personal and by the State isn't possible.

 

If some places are getting it wrong then their duty is to amend their system.

[Mozz71]

When suffering is extreme and there is no hope of recovery, then I'm all for assisted dying. As YMF said, strict guidelines need to be in place though.

[Untitled]

Guidelines can always be altered which is what happened in Canada... i am not usually a very conservative person but in this case i think it might be best to leave the law as it is. 

[douglas9401]

And in the blink of an eye guidelines turn into another cash cow for the lawyers.

Properly framed law is what's needed, not more BS codes of practice open to interpretation.

And please, no toothless watchdog wasting everybody's time.