Would You Like Me To Exterminate You?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gmgvdkwkeo

Yep it seems some of those who voted yes the other day are indeed worried that this is in the bill: "..... allow doctors to raise assisted dying as an option without the terminally ill patient having asked for it first."

Hopefully that will kill the bill, disgusting.

Cue a load of irrelevant heart rending tales of woe.....

[Untitled]

the problem with asking is that doctors are figures of authority. many people defer to them... in fact it is quite natural for them to do so. the other problem is that not all doctors are good people. 

it makes one wonder what else they didn't think of.

[naomi24]

Untitled, the doctors aren't making the decision. This is about sufferers being consulted.

[THECORBYLOON]

"it makes one wonder what else they didn't think of." Which is why, as with any proposed Bill, it goes through stages in the Commons and the Lords where amendments can be suggested and debated.

[youngmafbog]

I think there are three issues with this.

1. Upon being diagnosed one is in a right two and eight, who knows what you could be persuaded to do.

2. Similarly in a confused state people might immediately leap to thinking they are a burdon and so opt for death.

3. It puts pressure on doctors, some who are not at all keen on the idea of having to present it. 

Although I am still pro assisted dying I am still very cautious of turning into a Canada style system, esepecially with the EHCR and the army of Lawyers that will inevitably get involved and twist any good intentions the Government have.

[rowanwitch]

My nursing experience is itu but with additional qualifications in care of the dying. ( basically the course you do if you want to work in hospices or in palliative care teams). I believe if the care standards were equal for all conditions that are terminal there would be less to worry about.Fewer people would need to escape suffering by choosing an earlier than natural death. Currently most hospices and palliative care units only take patients from three groups . Cancer, ms, and mnd, leaving a huge number of patients with limited support.  Despite their conditions causing severe, often intractable pain, and loss of independence.

It's interesting to me that the key patient groups that will be offered the help to die  would also predominantly fall within the above groups as it needs to be a recognised  terminal condition.  Although they will kill you eventually for example COPD or heart failure are generally considered to be chronic and treatable...( Until they are not by then it is probably too late for the assisted dying process to be completed)

I see nothing wrong with raising the possibility with patients, we already have the discussions about resus orders, and we ask their views on end stage treatment plans, but it should be just one of a list of options.

In some countries they have the option of having a fatal dose of medication prescribed to be used at the patients discretion and at a time of their choosing once all the required checks are completed. We are not going anywhere near that, it will be a medical model with a doctor being if not present, closely available at the time it is taken.

It has already been made clear that the process of developing the legislation will! Include input from experts within the fields of palliative care, what may come from this is a stronger focus on reducing the number of patients who feel this option is one they will need to take.

 

 

 

 

 

[Old_Geezer]

It'll get discussed and likely amended. Nothing to see here yet.

[jackthehat]

I can't think of a better answer than the one by rowan^.

TTT - You are catastrophising about this issue long before there has been any meat put on the bones. 

[douglas9401]

And of course it'll be a half-arsed fudge in the time-honoured British way with so much equivocation and conditions attached as to make the whole episode a waste of time.

Meanwhile patients just have to get on with dying in pain.

[nicebloke1]

This post sums you up to a T. 

[ToraToraTora]

gawd elp us Robson Green has piped up!

[dave50]

And if they say yes, what business is it of anyone else?

[youngmafbog]

//TTT - You are catastrophising about this issue long before there has been any meat put on the bones. //

And rightly so IMHO.

If it is not raised now it wont be changed.

[DDIL]

I wish this had been around for my father.

[youngmafbog]

Me to DDIL, but it must be done right and the Canada debacle must be factored in.