Trump Wants To End Birthright Citizenship

[naomi24]

//For nearly 160 years, the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution has established the principle that anyone born in the country is a US citizen.

But as part of his crackdown on migrant numbers, Trump is seeking to deny citizenship to children of migrants who are either in the country illegally or on temporary visas.

The move appears to have public backing. A poll by Emerson College suggests, external many more Americans back Trump than oppose him on this.//

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c983g6zpz28o

 

Fair enough?

[Togo]

Sigh.... Do read the links provided there's a good lad. 

//Citizenship by place of birth, jus soli, and place of birth alone, is not absolute or unlimited; otherwise, there would not be that condition “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the Amendment.  The prevailing belief of those who argue that just being born in the geographic area of the United States is an automatic qualification for citizenship fail to account for this second and equally binding condition of citizenship in the United States.

The 14th Amendment, when enacted after the Civil War, was retrospective, not prospective.  It addressed a deficiency in the 13th Amendment that, though abolishing slavery, left freed blacks in a state of limbo, where they were not considered citizens of the United States or of many of the individual states.  It did not foresee the concept of non-citizen illegal aliens giving birth inside our borders, although in the debates, it did address other non-citizen parentage, like those in diplomatic residency.  However, with diplomats, there was never any doubt that they were representatives of their governments and definitely not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.//

[Ellipsis]

> "Can amendments of the US Constitution be changed, then?  Like, say, the second amendment ..."

>> Yes, they absolutely can. 

Good to know, thank you. So much rot is posted about The Founding Fathers being so wise and prescient that nothing in the US Constitution should ever be changed ... like the right to bear arms, for example.

So, if a Republican administration wanted to change the Fourteenth Amendment, would it be OK for a future Democratic administration (or even a different Republican administration) to change it back?  Would it be acceptable to change the Fourteenth Amendment every four years, for example, according to the whims of the current administration?

[Khandro]

It always was a stupid law. I know a couple, she English, he French, who went to the US when she was pregnant and near time, so she could have the child there and it would always have the right to US citizenship.

[sandyRoe]

Veering off topic a bit here.  What prevents Trump looking a third term in office?  Such a thing isn't unprecedented, Roosevelt had 3 terms.

[Untitled]

that doesn't really answer the question over what jurisdiction actually means here togo. 

[Ellipsis]

The Twenty-Second Amendment, Sandy:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

How inconvenient. Still, I suppose that could be thrown out too ...

[douglas9401]

"Can amendments of the US Constitution be changed, then?"

Is changing an amendment the same as changing part of the constitution, the former already being a change?

[ynnafymmi]

@14.14.So how come Franklin D Roosevelt was elected three times then?

[douglas9401]

https://www.history.com/news/fdr-four-term-president-22-amendment

[Khandro]

Why would you want anyone else than Trump - he's doing a great job. - Diamond geezer!

[Untitled]

how would you feel about him annexing Canada khandro. he keeps saying that he wants to.

that's a point... if Canada was annexed then what would the status of its citizens be? most of them were not born in the US at all after all. and i suspect the republicans would not be very keen on allowing them to vote given how much they would hate them.

[Khandro]

Untitled: Please grow up. How could Trump, or any potus annex Canada ? 

[Untitled]

you should direct that question to your beloved leader khandro. he has said several times that he wants it to become america's 51st state... he reiterated it over the weekend in an interview with fox. 

[Khandro]

Untitled; meanwhile, Down Under, (& many other countries too) Trumpism is in big demand;

'Conservatives are crying out online for Opposition Leader Peter Dutton to go ‘full Trump’, or at least ‘a little bit Trump’, but they would probably settle for a ‘tad Trump’ at this stage of desperation.

Yesterday I asked on The Spectator Australia Facebook account, ‘Should Peter Dutton be more like Trump?’ and almost all of the 143 replies were some version of, ‘Heck yeah!’

There is an appetite for Trump-inspired conservatism in Australia. Not only should we embrace it, we desperately need it to manifest to prevent the rapid growth of bizarre extremists who, in despair at the decline of their nation, are embracing toxic ideas instead of returning to the roots of common sense.'

Spectator Australia 

[Untitled]

and this proves what exactly? that he must be right? 
 

that's just sad khandro

[Ellipsis]

143 Spectator Facebook members can't be wrong, Untitled ... 🙄

[Khandro]

I saw an elderly Rabii, with a magnificent white beard, the other night on the telly who said, 'There are three kinds of people, those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who say, what happened ? '

I know where The Donald is, where are you ?

[Khandro]

'Trump says Hamas should free all hostages by midday Saturday or 'let hell break out' '

Reuters

[Ellipsis]

> I know where The Donald is, where are you ?

Sitting in front of AnswerBank, reading the Spectator and a bunch of other curated quatsch, sadly ...