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Little Willy | 17:50 Sun 18th Feb 2007 | News
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Lets just say that in 1945 Hitlers germany had won the war,would this country be any worse off,would we have blacks killing each other in cities,would we have muslims trying to kill us on the bus and on trains,would we have an open door to every piece of low life in the world to come and take advantage of whats on offer,
the reason i ask this is because my grandmother said to me that if my grandfather knew what this country would become he would have gone to prison rather than have fought the war.
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MrBen5

Incidentally, you're right about my knowledge of history. I hated it at school and did my best to sleep through every history lesson I had.

However, even with my flawed educational background, I'm still pretty certain that the gassing of six million Jews, gypsies and homosexuals should be described in stronger terms than 'a little extreme'.
One last point...sometimes people 'trot out the race card'...simply because it happens to be appropriate.

However, I think there's a world of difference between being a racist, and simply being ignorant of the facts.

Let's strive not to be ignorant (I include myself in that by the way)...

Now...my high horse needs to be fed and watered seeing as I've been cantering around on him all day.
Now we're talking of gassing jews, gypsies, homosexuals etc. do you realise that it is a crime in Germany to deny the holocaust happened? Now let me ask you ~ Where is the freedom of speech in that country?
sp1814 One off the top of my head (pardon the pun)
Sikhs do not have to wear crash helmets. They are also allowed to carry an offensive weapon in public, that's two for starters.
Sorry I notice someone beat me to the post on this one, but I notice sp1814 you have chose to ignore the example.
MrBen5 - You say that when someone speaks their mind they are labelled as racist or ignorant. Well that which is on your mind is racist and ignorant, so I suppose in your case it's true. Seriously, how can you make these type of comments and then complain about the race card when someone calls you racist? You have many friends from different backgrounds - not for much longer if they read the answerbank.

Racism is broadly defined as a stigmatization of those we perceive as being different from us on the grounds of ethnicity. Do you honestly feel that your remarks don't fall into this category?
AOG

Good example. I'd not thought of that one (Sikhs allowed to wear turbans on motorbikes).

I suspect that this was introduced as a pragmatic amendment to road laws, especially seeing as in the past 20 years, I'm yet to see a Sikh motorcyclist, and I live in a very busy part of London

corbyloon i mean we are a minoroty in our own country its pretty self explanatory.............................
Hmmm, fingerprint. I have many a discussion similar to these with my friends and we do argue a lot, but none ever play the race card.
If they disagree, they dont call me racist, they just tell me that i am wrong.
I am only wrong to certain people. I have yet to see an open discussion being carried out on here without someone playing the race card. You might get away with in parts of your life, but the educated people on here can tell the difference between someone being racist and someone speaking their mind.
The genuine people who are being discriminated against are being let down by the idiots just playing the race card all the time. just like the women who cry rape. They are leeting the genuine rape victims down...
stokeace

From Wikipedia:

Minority

A minority or subordinate group is a sociological group that does not constitute a politically dominant plurality of the total population of a given society. A sociological minority is not necessarily a numerical minority � it may include any group that is disadvantaged with respect to a dominant group in terms of social status, education, employment, wealth and political power.

Which group do you belong to which fits the above profile?
MrBen5 - it's interesting that you put yourself in the educated category, where did you study - disneyland? So you immigrant friends are not offended when you tell them that they are all uneducated and mostly involved in crime, and your Jewish friends have no problem with you telling them that Hitler had some great ideas??
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stokeace I�ve always thought that this country�s population was mainly White, mainly Christian and mainly British but I thought I�d better confirm that by checking the Office of National Statistics site for the 2001 Census results. It shows that in a population of 57,103,927, 50,366,497 (or 88.2%) were White British and 41,014,811 (71.8%) were Christian.

Do you have any comments?
Yeah I've got two ~ I thought that THECORBYLOON was part of AB legend and had ceased to be. LOL ~ Hiya TCL.

The other (on a more serious note) is that the census figures are now 6 years old, and probably don't reflect the current state of the nation. However I'd still come down on the side of White / Christian as being the majority, rather than a minority.
Hmmm, THECORBYLOON , dont forget that that is just the census. That only shows the 'registered' info what people have given. It doesnt state the amount of 'others' who live here but arent registered...
Hello fingerprint. i do class myself as educated (not brainwashed) and have qualifications (not photocopied or forged) to show it.
I dont recall saying i had any immigrant or jewish friends.
I take it that you are not very good at understanding English. Maybe you went to disneyland yourself for an education. Or maybe you just dont want to learn the way of life over here.
Either way, i think your a little narrowminded. Hitler did have 'some' good ideas and just because i (and i am sure millions others) think he did, doesnt mean i am racist.
Learn to accept that people dont all think the way you do and dont slander them just because they disagree with your idiology.
The joy about this country is free speech. We dont go burning effergies, blowing people up, etc, etc, just because we dont like what someone says...
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Mani Hussain
First of all i never said my grandfather would have preferred prison,he has been dead 20 years now.It is a comment my grandma makes when she see's on the news how this country in her opinion and a lot of her o.a.p. friends is not a nice place to live.
Fair enough there is a lot worse countries on the planet,but the lowlife from these places seem to be finding their way here.And our inept government does nothing about it,they even admit they don't know how many are here illegally.
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And also Mani i won't change the title to religous extremists
the fact is they where muslim extremists, so with you being a muslim you are telling me how to talk now because you did'nt like my description in my question. This is why some people in this country are getting fed up to the back teeth,
because they can't speak the truth incase its upsets the ethnic minorities and we can't have that can we Mani.
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