Is It Racist To Show Concern Over This Fact?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/396390/Migrants-change-UK-forever-White-Britons-will-be-in-minority-by-2066

Should we be like any other country and that is proud of our heritage and our culture?

Surely we should be able to discuss this without any accusations of racism being banded about, I ask this because there was such a debate on this academic study on a radio phone-in last night.

Although a caller gave an educated argument showing concern at the fact that Briton will in the future cease to be a white nation, he was named called by the presenter, and then when he was off the air the bias presenter allowed mainly black persons on to welcome and rejoice the fact.

Why is it white persons are openly accused of 'speaking a load of rubbish', called idiots, racists etc, etc. by these left-wing presenters, yet when a black person phones in they are praised, never called names, and finally thanked for phoning the show with their valuable input?

[jno]

is it racist to be worried about other races entering your country?

Er, yes.

[jim360]

It may depend on why you are concerned. Also it's not really a fact but a projection -- the trends it's based on may well change over the next few years.

[ummmm]

I don't think white people are going to stop breeding with white people and it's daft to suggest that.

[ChillDoubt]

is it racist to be worried about other races entering your country?

Er, yes.
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That's a bit broad spectrum isn't it? Doesn't that make Border Agencies and Immigration Control racist by definition?

[Sharingan]

There is only really one thing which is racist which is hating others of a race different to yours and discriminating against them. Nothing else is racist. You can be worried about anything you like.

[jno]

ChillDoubt, no, their brief is to do with nationality and legal restrictions, not race.

[keyplus90]

//////That's a bit broad spectrum isn't it? Doesn't that make Border Agencies and Immigration Control racist by definition?//////////

So the duty of the Border agency is to stop "other" races from entering into UK, is it? I allways thought it was to do with illegal people and drug dealers etc.

[carpetowl]

Yes it is racist - especially when 'colour' is highlighted as the principal differentiating characteristic. When you write of 'our' culture and 'our' tradition, what you really mean is 'white' history - a narrative dominated by the exploitation of many races throughout the Empire. Thank goodness, this is now a multicultural nation, rich in diversity and, apart from those holding bigoted views, celebration and warmth towards the immigrants who contribute to the country as a whole.

[anotheoldgit]

One has to ask would a predominately black country also be right to be concerned if their country was being populated with white persons so much so that in future years they could see themselves along with their culture becoming almost extinct.

Some would say that skin colour does not matter, and that is perfectly true, because we are all homo-sapiens, but it is all a matter of culture, and national identity, and we should all be proud of that, enough to show concern on it's future existence.

[jim360]

Well no, a predominantly Black country would be equally wrong to worry about White people moving there.

[carpetowl]

With regard to AOG's point as to whether 'black' countries would be right to be concerned at "being populated with white persons", I expect the indigenous populations of many African nations, Australia, New Zealand, India were indeed somewhat miffed during those glorious days of Empire. But any resistance was, of course, put down with the utmost brutality - so I suppose we'll never really know!

[sp1814]

One has to ask would a predominately black country also be right to be concerned if their country was being populated with white persons so much so that in future years they could see themselves along with their culture becoming almost extinct.

Like Australia?

And I welcome a greater mix of colours to the UK. We should have a rainbow of colours and backgounds - like Brazil.

No problem with white Britons being in a minority at all.

[sp1814]

carpetowl

Hear hear!!!

[Kromovaracun]

To me, I find it useful to think of modern Western racism as a loose affiliation with the sort of ideas posited by such thinkers as Georges Cuvier or the Comte de Buffon. Namely, the following key principals:

- there are intrinsic intellectual, social, and physical differences between races of people that are overwhelmingly caused by genetic heritage.

- Because of these intrinsic differences, some races are superior to others.

- the white/caucasian race is superior to all others.

Obviously there's different kinds of racism that wouldn't fall under the 'western' category - the ancient Chinese belief that their empire was an intermediary between heaven and earth, and that all other civilizations could be classified as 'barbarians' or subjects, does I think count as being pretty racist, albeit in a different context (and certainly not at a time when anyone thought racism was a problem).

I am not someone who is particularly critical of current-day immigration policies, and I think the considerable benefits outweigh the (also considerable) costs. But it's pretty clear to me that being critical of immigration doesn't necessarily commit you to any of the above ideas. I think it's badly informed, and often manifests in rather bigoted ways - but I don't think that being a critic of immigration at all means that someone is a racist.

And incidentally, neither does being pro-immigration mean you are anti-UK or want to see British society destroyed or any other such sensational nonsense.

[sp1814]

AOG

Oh, by the way - it's not racist to show concern over the erosion of heritage, but it certainly IS racist when that concern focusses on skin colour.

Why should concern be over 'white Britons'?

Aren't black Britons, or Asian Britons or Chinese Britons just as British?

[Kromovaracun]

^ good question.

[Old_Geezer]

Partly so, it can be argued. Changing the country you grew up in to one you no longer recognise is a valid concern. I feel there is too much change within one lifetime these days that normal human desire for stability is treated as something to be sneered at. But I think many will feel that you ought not be concerned at the colour of an individual's skin and so be unbothered. (I'm unsure if you should be unconcerned about culture change also. I suspect that may gain a more sympathetic ear.) I can understand having all familiar stripped from you is something folk feel uncomfortable about, and think they should be able to voice this without the details being used to undermine the concern. But yes, there is a racist element in it.

[doctordb]

The romans bought black people and arabs to these shores long before my anglo-saxon ancestors arrived.

[ChillDoubt]

And I welcome a greater mix of colours to the UK. We should have a rainbow of colours and backgounds - like Brazil.
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Provided they embrace the language, culture etc, no problem whatsoever.
It's probably one reason why France 'moved the goalposts':

http://www.france24.com/en/20111012-new-immigration-rules-require-knowledge-french-language-government

Should have clarified too, my earlier post was aimed at Border Agencies and Controls worldwide, not specifically UK.

[boxtops]

People can be British and yet not be the same colour as you are. It's the same in many countries of the world. Some cities in the US have Spanish majority populations. It doesn't matter a jot to me, we're all hybrid anyway.