your thoughts on this?

[craigiep]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=437624&in_page_i d=1770

[craigiep]

I meant 'in what ways' of course. And Mani, there's no rush to find those relevant passages - just as and when you can

[ELVIS68]

Simple solution, ban religion

[Fingerprint]

Mani, I think telling us about your late development may have been a bit too much information.

[Gromit]

I don't mean this to sound flippant or ignorant, but if nakedness in front of others is a problem for a muslim or anyone else for that matter, why can they not wait until everyone else has changed and showered before they do so. Separate facilities do not need to be provided at great expense.

[craigiep]

Mani, Gromit's last comment has just answered your question for me. If you can't find the necessary edicts in the Koran, please explain where else they come from. Strange you should follow orders you don't know the source of

[kempie]

Although primarily aimed as a guide for female nakedness (awra) the following link also makes mention of male awra...

http://darulislam.info/Sections-article46-p1.h tml

[Supernick]

Why the obsession with Koran passaged craigiep? We don't ask Christians to back everything up with a Bible passage.

I'm happy for all the changes to be made, as none of them seem unreasonable for any faiths (seperate prayer room, religious accessorising of school uniform). Would any of the objectors raise the same opinions if it was a girl who wanted to wear a crucifix for religious reasons at school, or a jewish lad who wanted a seperate room to pray?

The only one I have problems with is the changing rooms which I see as being an unpractical and unreasonable expense for schools to burden. And I still don't know whether it is no nudity between any people or just inter-faith nudity. If there is no nudity at all, then surely individual cubicles would have to be built, and if it is simply inter-faith nudity that is not allowed, then I would feel very uncomfortable with the idea of segregating people (especially impressionable children) based on faiths not being good enough for each other.

[Gromit]

It is often difficult with religions to discern what is scripture and what is tradition, or a cultural interpretation. I gather (though I may be wrong) that the whole modest dress stuff is more cultural and traditional rather that being the word of the prophet in Koran. I assume craigiep is asking if it (the nakedness thing) is in the book to try and discern whether it is a religous obligation or just cultural baggage.

[Theland]

There are always constant demands from the muslim community for more consideration than the rest of us. This is often running counter to our own British way of life. The mohammed cartoons fiasco was a good example. Muslims should have accepted that in Britain, like it or not, people will ridicule your beliefs ... because they can. As a Christian, I find mockery of the Bible and Jesus quite distasteful, but, it happens, and BBC reporters don't feel threatened by Christians when reporting such mockery. The Mohammed cartoons were not thoroughly reported, and not shown on TV through fear.
Islamofascism is a growing threat around the world, and this country is no exception.
The Mail article is just another example of the muslim drive for greater influence in our society.

[Dom Tuk]

simple solution...those who dont like the way things are going are welcome to leave.........

aftrer all you are recent immigrants to this land too.

[Gromit]

I quite fanct Eygpt. Nice and sunny, friendly people.

You get sent to prison for a year though if you call the President a Dictator.

Oh, and three years for insulting an Islamic University.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6 385849.stm

There are people on here who would never see the light of day again.

Mani might be happy there though.

[jenstar]

So, the story is: An Islamic organisation says that schools should contribute to the indoctrination of kids into Islam. Just like Christian organisations are always saying that schools should contribute to the indoctrination of kids into Christianity. Well, they can all f**k off. Schools aren't there to teach superstitious claptrap, or to pander to parents who want their children to grow up blindly believing in faith without reason. They certainly shouldn't be building separate showers on the say-so of some kid's imaginary friend.

[PatriciaH]

What a load of sh1te, WHEN IN ROME............................
THATS MY MOTTO in a nutshell : (

[Hammer Head]

Perhaps these muslims who are demanding this should be made to pay for any and all expenses incurred by schools 'complying' with their wishes. Maybe then they would change their minds.

Do the muslim kids themselves want these changes. If they don't then it seems that it is the usual muslim thing of imposing their will on others whether they want it or not.

[NikkiB]

Like raptors in Jurassic Park testing different parts of the electrified fence for weakness, extremist Muslims seem to be making little pushes against the British way of life all the time.
I look forward with amusement to the new set of ridiculous demands drafted up next week.

[Goodsoulette]

I am with the very Supernick on this one. I don't think anyone should be asked to act contrary to their beliefs, as long as they are sane beliefs. If pupils want to grow a beard, they should be able to grow a beard and virtually any other religious adornment, be it a crucifix, a turban etc etc I think it promoted religious tolerance, as long as you are saying to one set of beliefs and saying yes to another.

I don't think a teacher can force any child to shower after PE, I know if girls refused they certainly weren't stripped and pushed in by a teacher.

Schools should let children follow their faith all the time but should encourage everyone to except each others differing beliefs. Tolerance is the way forward for everyone.