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If they are in a mainstream school, then they should integrate with the other pupils, just like jewish, jehovah's witness and catholic friends of mine had to. Just a few hundred metres away was a catholic church school. The pupils that attended that school followed that school's doctrines. Those whose parents saw fit to send them to our county school had to follow the rules of the school. So what are these people saying? Are they suggesting the white children of this country aren't fit to share the facilities with them? If so, then that's a racist comment and should be treated as such. Imagine the outcry if white church of england parents placed the same demands.
Seperate changing rooms - I'm not sure I understand the point of this. Would anyone care to highlight to me why the Muslim Council feels this is necessary?
Prayer Rooms - Seems like a reasonable request to me. Everyone has the right to pray if they want as far as I'm concerned. What school doesn't have a spare room that could be used for this purpose?
Uniform changes - I see no reason why children can't wear crucifixes, turbans, a headscarf, skullcap, grow a beard if it is for religious purposes. I draw a line at the veil which I think is a hindrance to the education of the pupil, but a religious 'accessory' such as these are all fine with me. I think children should meet the basic uniform demands of the jumper/blazer and trousers, but where's the harm in the rest of it?
Prayer Rooms - Seems like a reasonable request to me. Everyone has the right to pray if they want as far as I'm concerned. What school doesn't have a spare room that could be used for this purpose?
Uniform changes - I see no reason why children can't wear crucifixes, turbans, a headscarf, skullcap, grow a beard if it is for religious purposes. I draw a line at the veil which I think is a hindrance to the education of the pupil, but a religious 'accessory' such as these are all fine with me. I think children should meet the basic uniform demands of the jumper/blazer and trousers, but where's the harm in the rest of it?
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I think you're right Mani, although I'm still not sure why the Muslim Council want seperate shower rooms. This could be pretty tricky and a pointless waste of scarce school resources. I don't know the religious reasoning behind it, and fear that it could have an isolating influence.
We all know that traditionally the Daily Mail is pretty sensationalist about issues of race and sexuality, so I would take their reporting with a pinch of salt.
We all know that traditionally the Daily Mail is pretty sensationalist about issues of race and sexuality, so I would take their reporting with a pinch of salt.
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In one of my previous jobs for Social Services there was a communal prayer room that all religions shared quite happily until an extremely devout muslim joined the work force. He removed all references to other religions from the room and when repremanded for this started to demand a prayer room for muslim-only worshipers.
Do the Islamic Council of Britian want communal prayer rooms or seperate rooms for Islamic worship??
Do the Islamic Council of Britian want communal prayer rooms or seperate rooms for Islamic worship??
That makes sense then Mani - although from what I remeber of school, most kids perfected the showering in swimming trunks, and then dressing under a towel. Doubt that anyone saw each other naked anyway!
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One though that has occurred to me though is that the Muslim Council only appear to be suggesting a secondary set of shower facilities, implying that muslim boys can be seen naked in front of each other, but not by a non-Muslim. Is this the case? A wall will not suffice if no-one can see each other naked, we'll need seperate cubicles for everyone, which is simply not feasible, or a reasonable thing to expect in my opinion.
Does this also not present a problem when visiting the doctor? I always though that it was just men and women that were not allowed to see each other naked unless married.
However:
One though that has occurred to me though is that the Muslim Council only appear to be suggesting a secondary set of shower facilities, implying that muslim boys can be seen naked in front of each other, but not by a non-Muslim. Is this the case? A wall will not suffice if no-one can see each other naked, we'll need seperate cubicles for everyone, which is simply not feasible, or a reasonable thing to expect in my opinion.
Does this also not present a problem when visiting the doctor? I always though that it was just men and women that were not allowed to see each other naked unless married.
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