ChatterBank0 min ago
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so the government has spent �13,000 on protecting the identities of little jamie bulgers killers.let their identities be known so hopefully they get their comeuppance i say.or better still they should have been hung no matter how old they were.they knew what they were doing.i feel so sorry for the family because justice was NOT done.
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smudge
You have to remember to close off the bold statement with a (you made the same typo as I've done many times).
Oi - AB Editor - bring back the Bold and italic icons at the top of the answer box.
Can I just raise a point here...in this country, if families treated their own parents and grandparents with respect and took them into their houses, there wouldn't be so many old people living in poverty.
And before ask - all my granparent have passed away and they would've had a fine old time trying to find me, seeing as they living in Jamaica.
You have to remember to close off the bold statement with a (you made the same typo as I've done many times).
Oi - AB Editor - bring back the Bold and italic icons at the top of the answer box.
Can I just raise a point here...in this country, if families treated their own parents and grandparents with respect and took them into their houses, there wouldn't be so many old people living in poverty.
And before ask - all my granparent have passed away and they would've had a fine old time trying to find me, seeing as they living in Jamaica.
Thanks for your help sp - I do know how to do Bold - Italics, etc., been doing so for donkeys years, but inadvertantly slipped in a comma instead of a < & didn't bother previewing!
Anyway, whichever way you look at the prospect of unlawful people being given preferential treatment, over & above decent law abiding citizens, there will always be conflicting issues on the matter. Some more than others!
Have a nice afternoon.
Anyway, whichever way you look at the prospect of unlawful people being given preferential treatment, over & above decent law abiding citizens, there will always be conflicting issues on the matter. Some more than others!
Have a nice afternoon.
Really NJOK - how come some prisoners are released from prison with qualifications, etc., paid for by us the tax payer - when law abiding students are up to their eyes in debt, having to pay for acheiving the same thing?
As I said earleir - there wil always be conflicing interests & no doubt your reply will be to the contrary.....
As I said earleir - there wil always be conflicing interests & no doubt your reply will be to the contrary.....
Yeah, I'm sorry but it is to the contrary.
Would you rather we didn't educate prisoners? Would you rather we dump them back into society with no job prospects? What do you think would happen then, given that their only contact in prison was with other criminals?
Do you think the chances of them reoffending would be higher or lower?
I think it would be higher. And I think policing costs would also be higher. And court costs. And subsequent prison costs.
Which would mean less money available to law-abiding students.
Would you prefer that?
Would you rather we didn't educate prisoners? Would you rather we dump them back into society with no job prospects? What do you think would happen then, given that their only contact in prison was with other criminals?
Do you think the chances of them reoffending would be higher or lower?
I think it would be higher. And I think policing costs would also be higher. And court costs. And subsequent prison costs.
Which would mean less money available to law-abiding students.
Would you prefer that?
Here we go!
Yes, of course I think educating criminals makes good common sense - if the criminal is enthusiastic enough to want to of course.
However, if & when they do achieve enough qualifications enabling them to carry out duties in the working world, then they should be made to reimburse the education authorities, or whoever, the costs of their studies whilst they were in prison.
After all, the 'law abiding' students have to pay, so why not them?
Over to you...
Yes, of course I think educating criminals makes good common sense - if the criminal is enthusiastic enough to want to of course.
However, if & when they do achieve enough qualifications enabling them to carry out duties in the working world, then they should be made to reimburse the education authorities, or whoever, the costs of their studies whilst they were in prison.
After all, the 'law abiding' students have to pay, so why not them?
Over to you...
I'd argue that it's far far more important to encourage prisoners to get an education than those who haven't offended. Why? Because we've seen how they behave when they're not educated. That's part of the reason they've ended up in the clink.
It benefits society, financially as much as anything, for criminals to come out less likely to reoffend. So any disincentive that could disuade them from getting qualifications doesn't just damage the criminal's job prospects; it damages society. Overall, it costs us money.
So you're left with the choice of where you want to lose money.
The other point to mention is that top-up fees are means tested. The poorest students don't repay their fees. As a prisoner, with no proper income, you'd expect to fall into that bracket.
It benefits society, financially as much as anything, for criminals to come out less likely to reoffend. So any disincentive that could disuade them from getting qualifications doesn't just damage the criminal's job prospects; it damages society. Overall, it costs us money.
So you're left with the choice of where you want to lose money.
The other point to mention is that top-up fees are means tested. The poorest students don't repay their fees. As a prisoner, with no proper income, you'd expect to fall into that bracket.
I don't think the readers of the 'gutter press' would have been any more affected by this horrific crime no matter how familar they were made to feel for the victim.
I'm not quite the hang 'em high brigade but I can empathise with Smudges' viewpoint regarding the advantages given to those who transgress. I feel their release was too early. What was it, 7 or 8 years, at an age when they were probably still maturing. Difficult at that age to judge what they are going to be like as adults. I know each case is different but didn't Mary Bell serve longer. I can't think that what she did was more evil than what those two inflicted on that small child.
I'm not quite the hang 'em high brigade but I can empathise with Smudges' viewpoint regarding the advantages given to those who transgress. I feel their release was too early. What was it, 7 or 8 years, at an age when they were probably still maturing. Difficult at that age to judge what they are going to be like as adults. I know each case is different but didn't Mary Bell serve longer. I can't think that what she did was more evil than what those two inflicted on that small child.
Just to mix it up a bit...and I've only just thought of this...but I fully support NJOK's position that we should educate prisoner as much as we can, but couldn't you argue that not only the cost of the education, but part of the cost of accomodation should be reimbursed by taking a lein on future (legitimate) earnings?
I've not thought this through properly...
I've not thought this through properly...
NJOK
Yes, and the reason that they are uneducated and end up in jail is because they usually reject the first chance of education by truanting or if attending, severely disrupting the lessons of the kids that want to learn. The ones who by behaving and getting qualifications, obtain jobs and pay taxes to finance the system that deals with them.
Perhaps if the prison regime was harsher and carried a stigma it would be a disincentive for them to end up there.
Yes, and the reason that they are uneducated and end up in jail is because they usually reject the first chance of education by truanting or if attending, severely disrupting the lessons of the kids that want to learn. The ones who by behaving and getting qualifications, obtain jobs and pay taxes to finance the system that deals with them.
Perhaps if the prison regime was harsher and carried a stigma it would be a disincentive for them to end up there.
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