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Bush contemplates World War III
"I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War Three, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml =/news/2007/10/18/wiran118.xml
The comments were times to coincide with Putin going to Iran.
Are Bush's comments a warning or a threat?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml =/news/2007/10/18/wiran118.xml
The comments were times to coincide with Putin going to Iran.
Are Bush's comments a warning or a threat?
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When you say warning and thread.... Well what's the difference between a warning and a threat? A warning implies a decision has been made and a threat that a decision will be made? As in this case they seem to amount to the same thing to me.
I don't think they're either to be honest. I'm not sure that Bush has the capacity or the resources to go to even a 'colonial' war in Iran. I think a war on Iran would be even less supported than the one in Iraq.
As far as I can tell he doesn't have much of a justification either. I mean, who are America to dictate who should and shouldn't have nuclear weapons? I'd rather no one did personally but I think Iran would be as likely to use them as America would. Despite having a chimp for a president I don't think America are that likely to hit the button.
I don't think they're either to be honest. I'm not sure that Bush has the capacity or the resources to go to even a 'colonial' war in Iran. I think a war on Iran would be even less supported than the one in Iraq.
As far as I can tell he doesn't have much of a justification either. I mean, who are America to dictate who should and shouldn't have nuclear weapons? I'd rather no one did personally but I think Iran would be as likely to use them as America would. Despite having a chimp for a president I don't think America are that likely to hit the button.
More from the afore mentioned buffoon:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushquotes/ a/topbushisms2005.htm
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushquotes/ a/topbushisms2005.htm
Gromit: It is indeed frightening! And when you add an overview of the people who voted for the man, the prospects become even more concerning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLXRVvA6T9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLXRVvA6T9k
4G, I have many friends there as well. I think the show, (thankfully done in humour) is reflective of society..not just their's alone. But it does raise the question, if this is a percentage of the populace, what happens when a global issue touches our world? Are these people (americans, Brits, Kiwi's, ...anyone) the ones who are just along for the ride?
I would add, however, that when I'm in the states, it concerns me greatly, to find that world news is nothing more than a column inch or two many pages deep into the paper...if at all!
I once listened to a school teacher from the states tell me that there really wasn't any need to fill children's heads with nonsense such as where is the EU, what is the WHO, and whether anyone cares about Brazil's rainforests. She said 'everything we need is here, so why waste time even talking about something outside of america.'
I did muster up the breath to ask her what age group she taught. 12-13 year olds was her answer.
You just have to wonder whether it's blissful ignorance or ignorant bliss.
Fr. B
I would add, however, that when I'm in the states, it concerns me greatly, to find that world news is nothing more than a column inch or two many pages deep into the paper...if at all!
I once listened to a school teacher from the states tell me that there really wasn't any need to fill children's heads with nonsense such as where is the EU, what is the WHO, and whether anyone cares about Brazil's rainforests. She said 'everything we need is here, so why waste time even talking about something outside of america.'
I did muster up the breath to ask her what age group she taught. 12-13 year olds was her answer.
You just have to wonder whether it's blissful ignorance or ignorant bliss.
Fr. B
VillageVicar
Most of my American friends are soldiers I met during my service in the British Army on courses, exchange visits lectures etc, however I can confirm the insular attitude of the average American. One U.S soldier told me that most Americans do not have a passport as the country is so huge they can holiday in whichever climate suits them best, use the same currency and speak pretty much the same language as the people who live there.
Most of my American friends are soldiers I met during my service in the British Army on courses, exchange visits lectures etc, however I can confirm the insular attitude of the average American. One U.S soldier told me that most Americans do not have a passport as the country is so huge they can holiday in whichever climate suits them best, use the same currency and speak pretty much the same language as the people who live there.
Good point 4G. Personally, I've always been a supporter of the concept of National Service. I feel our young people have no idea what we've paid as a nation for our freedoms. But I also feel it helps build and develop a greater knowledge of the world around us. Those who have served in the military, or even drawn into the cauldron of war, have had the opportunity to gain different perspectives of the world around them.
In the 80's there was a delightfully funny show on Channel 7 in Australia called 'here's the truth.' (or something like that..I can't remember any longer). The show , quite tongue in cheek, would show a news clip from ITV, then a news clip about the very same subject from the NBC Today show morning news. Then, with typically delightful Australian creativity, they'd announce: 'Now here's the truth!'
I don't think the show ran more than one contract series. I would imagine the producers may have caught some heat from 'concerned' politicians. Who knows.
May I ask please, were you serving as a trainer or instructor and if so, may I ask please, in what region?
I've spent almost all of my adult life working 'overseas.'
Be well
Fr Bill
In the 80's there was a delightfully funny show on Channel 7 in Australia called 'here's the truth.' (or something like that..I can't remember any longer). The show , quite tongue in cheek, would show a news clip from ITV, then a news clip about the very same subject from the NBC Today show morning news. Then, with typically delightful Australian creativity, they'd announce: 'Now here's the truth!'
I don't think the show ran more than one contract series. I would imagine the producers may have caught some heat from 'concerned' politicians. Who knows.
May I ask please, were you serving as a trainer or instructor and if so, may I ask please, in what region?
I've spent almost all of my adult life working 'overseas.'
Be well
Fr Bill
Well then... have a little scroll down this page.... amazing amazing pictures.
Please look at the Russian schoolgirls stripping down the AKs.....
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthrea d.php?t=72660
They're trained from a young age.....
Please look at the Russian schoolgirls stripping down the AKs.....
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthrea d.php?t=72660
They're trained from a young age.....
Another aspect to this story is Ahmadinejads recurring theme of anhialating Israel, and questioning Israels' right to even exist.
He is also a man who believes in the return of the 12th mahdi, brought on sooner to rescue the world from chaos, and Ahmadinejad passionately believes in chaos.
So, regardless of what the perception of Bush is, what response or stance should the west take to counter the Iranian position?
He is also a man who believes in the return of the 12th mahdi, brought on sooner to rescue the world from chaos, and Ahmadinejad passionately believes in chaos.
So, regardless of what the perception of Bush is, what response or stance should the west take to counter the Iranian position?
VillageVicar
I started in the Infantry and was involved in operations in Northern Ireland and the first Gulf War. I left when we returned from that conflict as I was utterly sickened by what I saw, and my own actions.
I rejoined later as a member of the Royal Army Medical Corps, helping to save life instead of taking it seemed a better idea. As a medic I was in Bosnia,Kosovo and my last tour was in Afghanistan, I should have gone to Iraq in 2003 as part of the in vasion, however I sustained a broken ankle playing rugby so could't go, instead the Army sent my to train U.S soldiers on British Army tactics/medical doctrine where I lectured at West Point and other establishments in Washington DC. I got more medals from the Americans for my short time over there than I got for my 21 years in the British Army lol.
I ended my career as a Staff Sergeant, recruit instructor at the RAMC depot near Aldershot
I started in the Infantry and was involved in operations in Northern Ireland and the first Gulf War. I left when we returned from that conflict as I was utterly sickened by what I saw, and my own actions.
I rejoined later as a member of the Royal Army Medical Corps, helping to save life instead of taking it seemed a better idea. As a medic I was in Bosnia,Kosovo and my last tour was in Afghanistan, I should have gone to Iraq in 2003 as part of the in vasion, however I sustained a broken ankle playing rugby so could't go, instead the Army sent my to train U.S soldiers on British Army tactics/medical doctrine where I lectured at West Point and other establishments in Washington DC. I got more medals from the Americans for my short time over there than I got for my 21 years in the British Army lol.
I ended my career as a Staff Sergeant, recruit instructor at the RAMC depot near Aldershot
Of course the US can have as many weapons (nuclear or otherwise) as they like.
The US can fund wars, start wars, fight in wars, sell arms to other countries and kill leaders of other countires.
But the minute anyone else tries to do the same they start to threaten people.
What gives them the right ? Are they the world police ?
This film sums it up perfectly.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/
The US can fund wars, start wars, fight in wars, sell arms to other countries and kill leaders of other countires.
But the minute anyone else tries to do the same they start to threaten people.
What gives them the right ? Are they the world police ?
This film sums it up perfectly.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/
Theland: You�ve made an excellent point. Ahmadinejad seems to be in a quandary over which role he should assume, either that of Sodom or Gomorrah. I was based in the Middle East during the reign of Reza Pahlavi, where I commuted between Bahrain, Tehran, Damascus and Baghdad. It was heart breaking to see the freedoms of so many erode with such ferocity as Pahlavi�s brutal fisted rule collapsed. Today, the country, perhaps thankfully, has two powerful minds � one of a moderate stance, the other, as we repeatedly see in the media, of an extremist stance. Keep in mind that much of what we see in the media is highly orchestrated and often among people of heavily influenced minds.
If I step back from it all, which having lived within so many cultures, it is difficult to do at times, I see Vladimir Putin almost mirroring the behaviour of Nikita Khrushchev and Ahmadinejad, trying not to be out-performed, mirroring those behaviours in dealing with George W Bush. Bush, not being known for his oratory skills, occasionally speaks in a way that becomes virtually impossible to translate into other languages as anything but acerbic, brazen and abrupt. Consequently, it appears in the media as a coterie of ill-behaved leaders. And to compound it, the venerable Mr Ahmadinejad didn�t do his cause any favours when he recently addressed the students of Columbia University.
Fr Bill
If I step back from it all, which having lived within so many cultures, it is difficult to do at times, I see Vladimir Putin almost mirroring the behaviour of Nikita Khrushchev and Ahmadinejad, trying not to be out-performed, mirroring those behaviours in dealing with George W Bush. Bush, not being known for his oratory skills, occasionally speaks in a way that becomes virtually impossible to translate into other languages as anything but acerbic, brazen and abrupt. Consequently, it appears in the media as a coterie of ill-behaved leaders. And to compound it, the venerable Mr Ahmadinejad didn�t do his cause any favours when he recently addressed the students of Columbia University.
Fr Bill
4G: Just from the threads I have read from you, I would have imagined this. You, clearly, have lived those experiences that are often so essential to help us have greater vision of the world around us. You may have noticed in other threads, that my mission is in the Republic of Moldova and Romania. I sustain much of those operating costs through the specialised escorting services I provide. During my �transitional period� where I was �winding down� from my work in the Middle East and investing more in Eastern Europe, I did substantial work around Fort Meade, Langley, Arlington and here at Albert Embankment. Hand on heart, I�m glad to say that is history.
Yes, I have many nights under my belt of sitting at homes in the states, where very kindly people would break out their medals, awards, citations, etc., and exhaustively tell me how each one was earned. Whilst I do feel there�s somewhere a proper balance, I do like that the Americans are quite good at recognising achievements. In fact, I�ve applied some of that ethos in my new school in Moldova.
This thread has touched me as it reminds me that our world seems to be an extremely over-filled balloon that is a most precarious balance. Hopefully, we will find a way to let some of that air escape before the balloon pops, leaving little but tattered latex.
Fr Bill
Yes, I have many nights under my belt of sitting at homes in the states, where very kindly people would break out their medals, awards, citations, etc., and exhaustively tell me how each one was earned. Whilst I do feel there�s somewhere a proper balance, I do like that the Americans are quite good at recognising achievements. In fact, I�ve applied some of that ethos in my new school in Moldova.
This thread has touched me as it reminds me that our world seems to be an extremely over-filled balloon that is a most precarious balance. Hopefully, we will find a way to let some of that air escape before the balloon pops, leaving little but tattered latex.
Fr Bill
If the Americans ie. Bush want to got to war on Iran, they will. If they cant find justification they will invent it . Iraq has oil, the Americans wanted it, so they went in and took it. Iran has oil. They will go in and take it!
Having said that, I would be extremely worried if the present Iranian government had nuclear weapons.
If a muslim extremist got hold of one then we'd all go up in smoke. They would all go to Paradise and the rest of us Infidels would go straight to hell. What have they got to lose?
Having said that, I would be extremely worried if the present Iranian government had nuclear weapons.
If a muslim extremist got hold of one then we'd all go up in smoke. They would all go to Paradise and the rest of us Infidels would go straight to hell. What have they got to lose?
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