I blame it on the Parents

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=509501&in_page_i d=1770

He is reported to have said of his son: "Everything important in life he learned from me. He looks up to me and respects me."

[cruella]

All he appeared to have taught his Son was how to murder someone.
This world is so awful at times.
Every day there is a death reported in the papers.
Shocking!

[jake-the-peg]

Great - you've blamed the parents

Now what?

How are you going to get people to be better parents, to share your values and behave the way you want them to?

[helpmetoo]

the key in a civilised society should be to prevent wasters like this having children that they may raise in their own image,

a touch right wing i hear you cry!

better that than have innocent people killed as a result of lax left wing liberalism,

[Gromit]

I blame the Grandparents of the killer of Phillip Lawrence.

[anotheoldgit]

I think helpmetoo answers your question Jake.

The time has come for desperate measures. Becoming a Parent should be a right only allowed if one is worthy of taking this task on.

In all walks of life one have to meet certain criteria before being allowed to take up a position of responsibility.

There are just two that you do not have to, that is bringing children into the world, and the other owning a Dog. It is these two responsibilities that are increasingly causing the most problems in our society.

[beatlegal2]

there nothing right wing about what ya said.as it come to this people thinking they right wing when all they done open mouth and said truth.
i not right wing at all and i think wasters should starve or work for food,if they have kids take them away then deal with it they don't have anymore.i am left wing socialist and believe in all the values of old labour so i give wasters 1 chance to sort emselves out...the above case shows a very good case for abortion, sterilization.now i expect all the other left wingers are gonna crucify me for what i said.

[jake-the-peg]

So exactly what are you suggesting AOG?

Are you proposing the forcible removal of children from their parents and bringing them up in public institutions - that doesn't have a history or working well.

Or do you intend to head up a elite unit to abduct and forcibly sterrilise those you judge to be unsuitable as parents?

Will you be wearing snappy black uniforms?

Please be as specific as possible as to what your proposed solution is

[anotheoldgit]

How refreshing to know that there is at least one on the other side of the political spectrum, that has a brain and is intelligent enough to come to his or her's own decisions, without first being brainwashed, by the Loony Left.

[Oneeyedvic]

beatalgal, if you think that letting people starve to death and taking kids away is a left wing old labour attitude then I suggest you read a little bit more.

[Oneeyedvic]

I am also fascinated as to how you will implement your plan.

How about the Chinese system of a lethal injection into the
skull of a new born if the correct permissions weren't sought?

[anotheoldgit]

It would not be impossible to preform a vasectomy on all Male Infants. To be later reversed in adult-hood if and when they have formed a stable relationship with a member of the opposite sex, and are proved responsible enough to become caring Parents.

Scary yes but at least if we were to take measures such as this, at least it would solve many problems we have now.

The ever increasing problem of school girl mothers, and the young unruly yobs that rule or streets, to name just two.

How's that for starters oneeyedvic?

[Gromit]

Long before Political Correctness, Liberalism or a Labour government were convenient props to blame all of the nations woes on, Britain suffered the same unruly and loutish behaviour.

http://www.mfo.ac.uk/Publications/actes1/chass aigne.htm

[Oneeyedvic]

Firstly I don't think that vasectomy's can be carried out on children.

Secondly, when you have had a vasectomy reversal, you have a far lower chance of conceiving a baby.

Thirdly, vasectomies are by no means perfect and there have been several babies still conceived - can you tell me what you propose to do with these babies.

Finally, can you let me know what your criteria would be so that a man can have a reversal? (I'm guessing that they would have to be blonde, blue eyed, fair haired and Aryan but that is based on my prejudice that the last leader who called for this sort of legislation was Adolf)

(Sorry, just want clarification as well that gay couples will not be able to have a child)

[jno]

compulsory sterilisation has been tried before, though not on children. Countries that have tried it seem to have changed their minds, I don't know why. (Well, in Germany's case it was because the Nazis lost the war.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_steril ization

[Booldawg]

Why doesnt Jake The Peg and One Eyed Vic take the stage and have a go at coming up with the solution? Would be a nice change to hear their personal opinions on a topic with light to being more constructive, rather than just slating others.

[Oneeyedvic]

Solution to what problem> The fact that a parent has murdered someone and so has his son?

I don't know the statistics, but I am fairly sure that the chances of both a parent and a child murdering someone is very, very low and not (in my opinion) a reason to commit mass sterilisation.

[Quinlad]

I think it's high time that we criminalised murder.

If it was against the law, surely people would stop doing it?

[anotheoldgit]

Long before Political Correctness, Liberalism or a Labour government were convenient props to blame all of the nations woes on, Britain suffered the same unruly and loutish behaviour.

Maybe Gromit but I would have hoped we could have at least expected some improvement since the 1870s.

Might as well have quoted Jack the Ripper's crimes by saying London had its share of knife crime in the 19th century

[anotheoldgit]

Oneeyedvic.

Regarding your first concern: Obviously the vasectomy would be carried at at the an appropriate age.

Secondly: You say "when you have had a vasectomy reversal, you have a far lower chance of conceiving a baby".
This may or may not be true, but nothing is certain even if one has not had a vasectomy.

Thirdly, "vasectomies are by no means perfect and there have been several babies still conceived"
Once again I refer you to the answer I gave to your second concern.
Regarding what could be done with these babies? These would be in the minority so therefore they would be left with the parent or parents.

Finally I have already explained what the criteria would be for allowing a reversal. It would not matter what colour hair, colour skin, colour eyes, or even sexual orientation. So please don't try and create a Loony Left pigeon hole to file this under.

[anotheoldgit]

I don't know the statistics, but I am fairly sure that the chances of both a parent and a child murdering someone is very, very low and not (in my opinion) a reason to commit mass sterilisation.

Maybe Oneeyedvic, but it is just not this case, that is showing concern for some drastic action to take place. It is the ever increasing problem of all the other unruly little yobs, that are causing murder and mayhem on our streets.

Yesterday yet another person was knifed on our streets .