Islamic law on rape?

[R1Geezer]

Why is the woman stoned or whatever for being raped? I would have though a little sympathy would be more in order!

[sp1814]

6. The legs that you see in the poster for 'The Graduate' don't belong to Anne Bancroft. They actually belong to a little known model (at the time) - Linda Gray - who went on to star as Sue Ellen, in 'Dallas.

7. It's impossible to sneeze whilst keeping your eyes open.

8. Wet Wet Wet were so sick of performing 'Love Is All Around' when it got to number one for 12 weeks in May 1994, that they actually got their record company to delete the song, thereby ensuring it would fall from the top slot.

9. Brinsley Ford who played the black kid in the Double Deckers, went on to play guitar in Aswad.

9. What do the films 'Titanic' and 'The Sixth Sense' got in common? "I see dead people" (Icy dead people).

[keyplus90]

R1 geezer � You have not answered my question. I will explain to you that how I drew any parallel to your question. Say if she blames you for raping her and you are in a country where there are proper Islamic laws are in force.

Now for raping her you would be flogged and she would walk free. Obviously you would not like that. You would not admit that you had sex with her with her consent because then it would become adultery. But the only thing is then she would be liable to the punishment as well if you can prove that she is telling a lie. Then the situation would be what Gromit gave that two unrelated people shouldn�t have been together in isolation specially where the situation can occur like rape. However if it is forced rape then in Isam there is no burden on the victim and it is all misconception.

Now you imagine someone else a third person blames you two for adultery. He is the one to provide witnesses to confirm his allegations.

However if you are really interested for sincere information, you better look into the links I gave you.

[Le Chat]

The answer to your question is that in the culture and religion you are referring to, a woman is but a piece of nothing, a second, third or fourth class citizen, a breeding machine, a waste of space, unable to function on a level with a man, or anywhere near that level. So when a woman reports a rape, she really must have asked for it, made it up or somehow is a ****. Oh, unless four blokes happened to by chance be in the vicinity and are willing to stand up and speak out for the unimportant 'ho!
There you go!

[R1Geezer]

I read the links and understand that technically a true victim of rape is not punished. However as the punishment for the rapist is severe, it seems that nearly always the charge becomes something other than rape and the woman is then punished accordingly. Essentially the woman is never believed.

[sp1814]

11. Chimpanzees can't wink.

[keyplus90]

The answer to your question is that in the culture and religion you are referring to, a woman is but a piece of nothing, a second, third or fourth class citizen, a breeding machine, a waste of space, unable to function on a level with a man, or anywhere near that level

Le chat � your words are very familiar. Perhaps propaganda like this never will stop against Islam, and Islam will never stop from growing.

These are all women who converted to Islam. Perhaps they are not aware of the women status in Islam. Please let them know what you know about Islam and they did not. It might be a good idea to read the story of few to have some idea.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Convert s

[keyplus90]

Sorry forgot one thing, most of them are from your liberal. Society where women have so much freedom. I have no idea why they preferred Oppression over freedom. If you can not understand, then feel free asking me and I will answer the secret in two words.

[Oneeyedvic]

in the culture and religion you are referring to, a woman is but a piece of nothing, a second, third or fourth class citizen, a breeding machine, a waste of space, unable to function on a level with a man, or anywhere near that level.

And the prsident of the Islam Republic of Pakistan between 1988 to 1990 and from 1993 to 1996 was......

[sp1214]

Why don't we get down to the bottom line. Worshippers of Islam treat women like sh?t. Thats why the majority of women in Afghanistan wanted the Taliban out.

[DrFilth]

sp1814,no 21. Chimpanzees can't wink. i bet when they are in a lab and have bleach squirted in there eye they will blink .or they will try to do it and a blink is just a good as a wink to some people

[R1Geezer]

I see Birdy, good explanation, comments Keyplus??

[Le Chat]

Keyplus - I read the links and mostly found that they are generally unhappy people wanting something to believe in (as people also turn to other religions for this reason) But in one it seemed the woman was just a middle-of-the road person. I read all the text . Low and behold near the end of her passage (you can read below it says...well you read it. No good at finding italicas. "Basically, what I tell them, is that the Qur'an gives women more rights than the Bible does--in print. That was one of the things that first drew me to Islam. Unfortunately today, Islam is no longer the leader in women's rights. I had a choice--deny what I believe (i.e. that There is only one God, and that Muhammed is a Prophet of God)...or accept what I believe, but work to change the problems that exist within the Muslim community. I chose the latter."
So you haven't helped your cause I'm afraid!!! I shant be converting anytime soon!!

[Gromit]

R1Geezer

I thought you had read keyplus90s link, but obviously not. That debunked the four witnesses claim which birdie1971 has posted above.
Here is part of it again...

An event concerning rape had in fact led towards the Prophet Muhammad (P) punishing a rapist without demanding or even hinting for four witnesses:

�Narrated Wa�il ibn Hujr: �When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (P) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered [raped] her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That [man] did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (P).

When he [the Prophet] was about to pass sentence, the man who [actually] had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He [the Prophet] said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words [Abu Dawud said: "meaning the man who was seized"], and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: �Stone him to death.�

[keyplus90]

Birdie 1971- After looking at your knowledge about Islam, I believe you should have been a Mufti at Al-Aazhar Islamic University. Where you are quoting things from. I am afraid even the most prominent scholars did not know about these things in Islam. I believe if allowed they can write another Quran on the basis of your knowledge.

In reality Muhammad was asked to change certain things in Quran and in return he would be given anything he wished. But he said it was not up to him.

There is a saying that a story teller spent all night talking about Romeo & Juliet and in the morning someone asked him Was Romeo male or female just like that does not matter how many time you say here. Few Stupid people will carry on asking for 4 witnesses. I think even the victim one day would have enough of these people and would say leave me alone, I do not need your help.