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Islamic law on rape?
Why is the woman stoned or whatever for being raped? I would have though a little sympathy would be more in order!
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R1 geezer � You have not answered my question. I will explain to you that how I drew any parallel to your question. Say if she blames you for raping her and you are in a country where there are proper Islamic laws are in force.
Now for raping her you would be flogged and she would walk free. Obviously you would not like that. You would not admit that you had sex with her with her consent because then it would become adultery. But the only thing is then she would be liable to the punishment as well if you can prove that she is telling a lie. Then the situation would be what Gromit gave that two unrelated people shouldn�t have been together in isolation specially where the situation can occur like rape. However if it is forced rape then in Isam there is no burden on the victim and it is all misconception.
Now you imagine someone else a third person blames you two for adultery. He is the one to provide witnesses to confirm his allegations.
However if you are really interested for sincere information, you better look into the links I gave you.
Now for raping her you would be flogged and she would walk free. Obviously you would not like that. You would not admit that you had sex with her with her consent because then it would become adultery. But the only thing is then she would be liable to the punishment as well if you can prove that she is telling a lie. Then the situation would be what Gromit gave that two unrelated people shouldn�t have been together in isolation specially where the situation can occur like rape. However if it is forced rape then in Isam there is no burden on the victim and it is all misconception.
Now you imagine someone else a third person blames you two for adultery. He is the one to provide witnesses to confirm his allegations.
However if you are really interested for sincere information, you better look into the links I gave you.
The answer to your question is that in the culture and religion you are referring to, a woman is but a piece of nothing, a second, third or fourth class citizen, a breeding machine, a waste of space, unable to function on a level with a man, or anywhere near that level. So when a woman reports a rape, she really must have asked for it, made it up or somehow is a ****. Oh, unless four blokes happened to by chance be in the vicinity and are willing to stand up and speak out for the unimportant 'ho!
There you go!
There you go!
The answer to your question is that in the culture and religion you are referring to, a woman is but a piece of nothing, a second, third or fourth class citizen, a breeding machine, a waste of space, unable to function on a level with a man, or anywhere near that level
Le chat � your words are very familiar. Perhaps propaganda like this never will stop against Islam, and Islam will never stop from growing.
These are all women who converted to Islam. Perhaps they are not aware of the women status in Islam. Please let them know what you know about Islam and they did not. It might be a good idea to read the story of few to have some idea.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Convert s
Le chat � your words are very familiar. Perhaps propaganda like this never will stop against Islam, and Islam will never stop from growing.
These are all women who converted to Islam. Perhaps they are not aware of the women status in Islam. Please let them know what you know about Islam and they did not. It might be a good idea to read the story of few to have some idea.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Convert s
in the culture and religion you are referring to, a woman is but a piece of nothing, a second, third or fourth class citizen, a breeding machine, a waste of space, unable to function on a level with a man, or anywhere near that level.
And the prsident of the Islam Republic of Pakistan between 1988 to 1990 and from 1993 to 1996 was......
And the prsident of the Islam Republic of Pakistan between 1988 to 1990 and from 1993 to 1996 was......
Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.
The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery is this - Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.
Rape is virtually impossible to prove under Islamic law (Sharia) and even in more moderate countries. If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.
The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery is this - Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.
Rape is virtually impossible to prove under Islamic law (Sharia) and even in more moderate countries. If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.
Keyplus - I read the links and mostly found that they are generally unhappy people wanting something to believe in (as people also turn to other religions for this reason) But in one it seemed the woman was just a middle-of-the road person. I read all the text . Low and behold near the end of her passage (you can read below it says...well you read it. No good at finding italicas. "Basically, what I tell them, is that the Qur'an gives women more rights than the Bible does--in print. That was one of the things that first drew me to Islam. Unfortunately today, Islam is no longer the leader in women's rights. I had a choice--deny what I believe (i.e. that There is only one God, and that Muhammed is a Prophet of God)...or accept what I believe, but work to change the problems that exist within the Muslim community. I chose the latter."
So you haven't helped your cause I'm afraid!!! I shant be converting anytime soon!!
So you haven't helped your cause I'm afraid!!! I shant be converting anytime soon!!
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R1Geezer
I thought you had read keyplus90s link, but obviously not. That debunked the four witnesses claim which birdie1971 has posted above.
Here is part of it again...
An event concerning rape had in fact led towards the Prophet Muhammad (P) punishing a rapist without demanding or even hinting for four witnesses:
�Narrated Wa�il ibn Hujr: �When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (P) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered [raped] her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That [man] did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.
She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (P).
When he [the Prophet] was about to pass sentence, the man who [actually] had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He [the Prophet] said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words [Abu Dawud said: "meaning the man who was seized"], and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: �Stone him to death.�
I thought you had read keyplus90s link, but obviously not. That debunked the four witnesses claim which birdie1971 has posted above.
Here is part of it again...
An event concerning rape had in fact led towards the Prophet Muhammad (P) punishing a rapist without demanding or even hinting for four witnesses:
�Narrated Wa�il ibn Hujr: �When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (P) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered [raped] her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That [man] did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.
She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (P).
When he [the Prophet] was about to pass sentence, the man who [actually] had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He [the Prophet] said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words [Abu Dawud said: "meaning the man who was seized"], and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: �Stone him to death.�
Gromit - Muhammed was passing judgement on this particular incident before he married Aisha and consequently before he decided that four witness to a rape are required.
This is important because of a major Islam doctrine called "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (the Abrogator and the Abrogated). This simply means that in situations wherein verses contradict one another, the early verses are overridden by the latter verses. The chronological timing in which a verse was written determines its authority to establish policies within Islam.
In an attempt to polish Islam's image, Muslim activists usually quote verses from the Quran that were written in the early days of the Islamic movement while Mohammed lived in Mecca. Those passages make Islam appear loving and harmless because they call for love, peace and patience. Such is a deception. The activists fail to tell people that such verses, though still in the Quran, were nullified, abrogated, rendered void by later passages that incite killing, decapitations, maiming, terrorism and religious intolerance. The latter verses were penned while Mohammed's headquarters was based in Medina.
This is important because of a major Islam doctrine called "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (the Abrogator and the Abrogated). This simply means that in situations wherein verses contradict one another, the early verses are overridden by the latter verses. The chronological timing in which a verse was written determines its authority to establish policies within Islam.
In an attempt to polish Islam's image, Muslim activists usually quote verses from the Quran that were written in the early days of the Islamic movement while Mohammed lived in Mecca. Those passages make Islam appear loving and harmless because they call for love, peace and patience. Such is a deception. The activists fail to tell people that such verses, though still in the Quran, were nullified, abrogated, rendered void by later passages that incite killing, decapitations, maiming, terrorism and religious intolerance. The latter verses were penned while Mohammed's headquarters was based in Medina.
In addition to the above, I would also like to point out that the quote, �When he [the Prophet] was about to pass sentence�� is rather ambiguous. On whom was he passing sentence? The man or the woman? The passage does not say. When that actual culprit stands up and admits the offence then Mohammed quite rightly finds him guilty. However, this passage most definitely does not contradict the �four witnesses� requirement, as there was an admission of guilt.
Birdie 1971- After looking at your knowledge about Islam, I believe you should have been a Mufti at Al-Aazhar Islamic University. Where you are quoting things from. I am afraid even the most prominent scholars did not know about these things in Islam. I believe if allowed they can write another Quran on the basis of your knowledge.
In reality Muhammad was asked to change certain things in Quran and in return he would be given anything he wished. But he said it was not up to him.
There is a saying that a story teller spent all night talking about Romeo & Juliet and in the morning someone asked him Was Romeo male or female just like that does not matter how many time you say here. Few Stupid people will carry on asking for 4 witnesses. I think even the victim one day would have enough of these people and would say leave me alone, I do not need your help.
In reality Muhammad was asked to change certain things in Quran and in return he would be given anything he wished. But he said it was not up to him.
There is a saying that a story teller spent all night talking about Romeo & Juliet and in the morning someone asked him Was Romeo male or female just like that does not matter how many time you say here. Few Stupid people will carry on asking for 4 witnesses. I think even the victim one day would have enough of these people and would say leave me alone, I do not need your help.
Keyplus - you say, "I am afraid even the most prominent scholars did not know about these things in Islam." To what specifically are you referring? Are you saying that Muslim scholars are unaware of "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh"? Or that four witnesses are required for a sucessful rape prosecution? If it's the latter, I presume you are unaware of the Hudood Ordinance which are part of Pakistan's 1979 rape laws, which specifically require a rape victim to produce four witnesses. If it's the former then obviously Islamic scholars are very aware of it and it's implications.
Sorry Keyplus, but you really will deny reality in order to protect your religion. I almost admire you for it. Almost.
You really do need to take off your Islam coloured spectacles and see Islam for what is is. Don't be afraid. The world isn't so scarey without religion. Give it a try. You might even enjoy it.
Sorry Keyplus, but you really will deny reality in order to protect your religion. I almost admire you for it. Almost.
You really do need to take off your Islam coloured spectacles and see Islam for what is is. Don't be afraid. The world isn't so scarey without religion. Give it a try. You might even enjoy it.
