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Islamic law on rape?
Why is the woman stoned or whatever for being raped? I would have though a little sympathy would be more in order!
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Dr Filth - All over the place. Read everything you can on a subject. You have to look at the opinions which you disagree with. Only then can you come up with an objective opinion. I'm firmly agree with Voltaire, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it." Unfortunately, Islam does not subscribe to this ideal.
naomi24 - Cheers.
naomi24 - Cheers.
Birdie - First of all you are talking about Pakistan Hudood Ordinance, which was influenced by a military dictator at that time to avert people attention towards artificial Islam to send people to Afghanistan for Jihad, which at that time was benefiting Americans because those people were fighting against Russia. Same Americans who are now declaring same people terrorists instead of Heroes. Hudood Ordinance was a small part of that ordinance. Still I do not think it says in that ordinance A rape victim need to produce 4 witnesses And trust me I have seen world out of any religion (not only Islam) and I know what I am saying. As I said before You are really a Birdie. And the biggest evidence in that is that Naomi is saluting you.
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Keyplus Hudood Ordinance was a small part of that ordinance. Still I do not think it says in that ordinance A rape victim need to produce 4 witnesses And trust me I have seen world out of any religion (not only Islam) and I know what I am saying.
Take a look at this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527252/Mushar raf-faces-bitter-clash-over-rape-law-reforms.h tml
It seems you don't know what you're saying - and as for you having seen the world out of any religion, we've been here before - and we know you have only ever studied Islam - and you clearly haven't studied even that well enough.
Trust you? What a joker. I'd rather trust a killer shark. Oh, you really don't like intelligent women, do you, Keyplus?
Let's hope that those who want to re-write these laws succeed.
Take a look at this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527252/Mushar raf-faces-bitter-clash-over-rape-law-reforms.h tml
It seems you don't know what you're saying - and as for you having seen the world out of any religion, we've been here before - and we know you have only ever studied Islam - and you clearly haven't studied even that well enough.
Trust you? What a joker. I'd rather trust a killer shark. Oh, you really don't like intelligent women, do you, Keyplus?
Let's hope that those who want to re-write these laws succeed.
birdie1971 thank you for your answer, i got called for taking the morning star into work one day .they all said it was rubbish what have you bought that for and i said how do you know it is rubbish if you have never read it.i left it in the tea bar and you would be suprised how many people read it.mind you it was rubbish never bought it again !
Naomi - I have never been more thankful to you as I am now. You now why. Because you have proved my point to Birdie 1971. Because Musharaf was trying to change Huddod ordinance Birdie was talking about. And what did I say about that., Birdie - First of all you are talking about Pakistan Hudood Ordinance, which was influenced by a military dictator at that time to avert people attention towards artificial Islam to send people to Afghanistan for Jihad
That is one part of it. Now what Musharaf was trying to do is completely opposite what your beloved Daily Telegraph (A well known lobby against Islam) is saying. Musharaf was actually trying to legalize prostitution in Pakistan and was trying to cover it up with this so called Reform. No wonder Musharaf has done so much to make America and their allies happy that his favored party lost recent election so badly that there is no example in the history of Pakistan.
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/05/2 514f1b8-b2b3-454e-88b3-cf680fc10154.html
In the end I would say neither one introduced in 1979 had anything to do with islam nor the Refoms of Musharaf are what they sound like. As for your link, All you have to do is replace word Rape with Adultery and then you will have to read it with open eyes. And I will try to find exactly what Musharaf�s agenda was and may be you would like to read that. But you would be disappointed.
Here's something else for Keyplus to try to deny. It happened in Saudi Arabia where they are governed by a constitution purely based on Qur�an. It was a fire in building where many Muslem women were trapped.
From the BBC - �According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam. One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".
From the Associated Press - �The newspapers accused members of the religious police ― the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice ― of blocking rescue attempts by male firefighters and paramedics because some of the girls were not wearing the mandatory Islamic dress, which covers the entire body and hair. �They forced the girls to remain inside the school and didn�t allow them to leave, saying that their hair wasn�t covered and they weren�t wearing the abaya (long robe),� the Al-Eqtisadiah newspaper said, citing firefighters and police.�
There are many other examples from different news outlets which confirm this story.
Wonderful isn't it. The loving and caring religion of Islam. Loving and caring that is, only if you happen to have a pair of testicles.
From the BBC - �According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam. One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".
From the Associated Press - �The newspapers accused members of the religious police ― the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice ― of blocking rescue attempts by male firefighters and paramedics because some of the girls were not wearing the mandatory Islamic dress, which covers the entire body and hair. �They forced the girls to remain inside the school and didn�t allow them to leave, saying that their hair wasn�t covered and they weren�t wearing the abaya (long robe),� the Al-Eqtisadiah newspaper said, citing firefighters and police.�
There are many other examples from different news outlets which confirm this story.
Wonderful isn't it. The loving and caring religion of Islam. Loving and caring that is, only if you happen to have a pair of testicles.
Let's have a look at Qu'ran inspired laws which exist in Iran with regards to women...
1. Hijab has been forced on every woman whether she likes it or not. Wearing no hijab may invite severe punishment. And what that punishment can be? Let us hear from the mouth of Prosecutor-General, Abolfazl Musavi-Tabrizi. "Any one who rejects the principle of hijab in Iran is an apostate and the punishment for an apostate under Islamic law is death" (August, 15, 1991)
2. Women are baby-growing machines. Let us hear from Ayatollah Mutahari. He said, "The specific task of women in this society is to marry and bear children".
3. Women are banned from studies such as Engineering, Agriculture, Archaeology, Restoration of historic monuments, handicrafts and many other fields.
4. Provisional marriage is lawful. A man may have four "permanent wives" and as many "provisional wives" as he likes.
5. The marriage age for the girls was reduced to 13 and then further reduced to 9 years. This is in keeping with the tradition of Muhammad who at the age of 51 married a 6 years old child (Ayesha) and had sex with her when she became 9.
6. A husband can inflict any physical violence or any other form of torture on a woman. Let us hear from an Islamic scholar on this matter. Hojatoleslam Imani, a top religious leader says, "A married woman should endure any violence or torture imposed on her by her husband for she is fully at his disposal. Without his permission she may not leave her house even for a good action (such as charitable work). Otherwise her prayers and devotions will not be accepted by God and curses of heaven and earth will fall upon her."
I could go on and on here. But I can't be bothered.
Which ever way you look at it, women are treated appalling in Islam.
1. Hijab has been forced on every woman whether she likes it or not. Wearing no hijab may invite severe punishment. And what that punishment can be? Let us hear from the mouth of Prosecutor-General, Abolfazl Musavi-Tabrizi. "Any one who rejects the principle of hijab in Iran is an apostate and the punishment for an apostate under Islamic law is death" (August, 15, 1991)
2. Women are baby-growing machines. Let us hear from Ayatollah Mutahari. He said, "The specific task of women in this society is to marry and bear children".
3. Women are banned from studies such as Engineering, Agriculture, Archaeology, Restoration of historic monuments, handicrafts and many other fields.
4. Provisional marriage is lawful. A man may have four "permanent wives" and as many "provisional wives" as he likes.
5. The marriage age for the girls was reduced to 13 and then further reduced to 9 years. This is in keeping with the tradition of Muhammad who at the age of 51 married a 6 years old child (Ayesha) and had sex with her when she became 9.
6. A husband can inflict any physical violence or any other form of torture on a woman. Let us hear from an Islamic scholar on this matter. Hojatoleslam Imani, a top religious leader says, "A married woman should endure any violence or torture imposed on her by her husband for she is fully at his disposal. Without his permission she may not leave her house even for a good action (such as charitable work). Otherwise her prayers and devotions will not be accepted by God and curses of heaven and earth will fall upon her."
I could go on and on here. But I can't be bothered.
Which ever way you look at it, women are treated appalling in Islam.
As a feminist I deplore any religious or cultural practices that oppresses and subjugate women
However, I do feel non Muslim men shouldn't be so self congratulatory and smug about the track record in this country when responding to women victims of rape
- legislation 1994 including the inclusion of marital rape and male rape - after over 100 years of feminist
campaigning rape within marriage became illegal within the common law system. It wasn't British men that created that change
-- The incredibly high attrition rate for rape cases has been a major concern underpinning many criticisms of the current system. Criticisms made by feminist generally, not non Muslim men. Very few rapes are reported, those that do most do not go to court of those who get to court even less result in a conviction. Many victims of rape who do make a complaint talk of the experience of being interviewed by the police and cross examined as another violation
Reason why, is that in this country women do not have equality with men. Its certainly not as terrible as stoning, but there is still room for improvement and non Muslim men shouldn't throw stones when living in a greenhouse
However, I do feel non Muslim men shouldn't be so self congratulatory and smug about the track record in this country when responding to women victims of rape
- legislation 1994 including the inclusion of marital rape and male rape - after over 100 years of feminist
campaigning rape within marriage became illegal within the common law system. It wasn't British men that created that change
-- The incredibly high attrition rate for rape cases has been a major concern underpinning many criticisms of the current system. Criticisms made by feminist generally, not non Muslim men. Very few rapes are reported, those that do most do not go to court of those who get to court even less result in a conviction. Many victims of rape who do make a complaint talk of the experience of being interviewed by the police and cross examined as another violation
Reason why, is that in this country women do not have equality with men. Its certainly not as terrible as stoning, but there is still room for improvement and non Muslim men shouldn't throw stones when living in a greenhouse
You know what, I do not think you can impress any one with your propaganda. Ruby 27 has given you some hint. Do not waste my time and yours as well. I think your examples of fire in the building and this and that can not really impress anyone. If you can not read my words then I will make them Bold this time, Please give me a reference from authentic Islamic teachings. Saudi Arabia might have been ruled purely based on Quran according to you, but as far as I am concerned there is not even a single country in the world which has 100% Islamic laws and the reason is that they are forced to mix it up with Socialism, Capitalism, Communism, imperialism and so on sometimes to make western countries happy and some time to avoid sanctions. But I know you would not even consider thinking about it so I would leave you with whatever you want to propagate against Islam and as I said before, it will not make a blind bit of difference in the world where according to all the surveys Islam is the fastest growing religion..
But I would like to ask one question as you are appearing Well versed and knowledge is oozing out from every bit. What social, financial, criminal, and family system is the best and where in the world you think there are least social and criminal problems.
But I would like to ask one question as you are appearing Well versed and knowledge is oozing out from every bit. What social, financial, criminal, and family system is the best and where in the world you think there are least social and criminal problems.
