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David Davis resigns over 42 days detention.
He has forced a bye-election at an uncomfortable time for Brown
"Shadow home secretary David Davis has resigned as an MP.
He is to force a by-election in his Haltemprice and Howden constituency which he will fight on the issue of the new 42-day terror detention limit.
Mr Davis told reporters outside the House of Commons he believed his move was a "noble endeavour" to stop the erosion of British civil liberties."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627 .stm
Noble act or turning the thumb screws on Brown in what is a safe seat for the Tories?
Could this backfire and his constituents see this as wasting their time and not vote for him and let the Lib Dems in?
"Shadow home secretary David Davis has resigned as an MP.
He is to force a by-election in his Haltemprice and Howden constituency which he will fight on the issue of the new 42-day terror detention limit.
Mr Davis told reporters outside the House of Commons he believed his move was a "noble endeavour" to stop the erosion of British civil liberties."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627 .stm
Noble act or turning the thumb screws on Brown in what is a safe seat for the Tories?
Could this backfire and his constituents see this as wasting their time and not vote for him and let the Lib Dems in?
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I don't recall the Tories thinking that the "suss" laws or the SPG were such a problem to civil liberties!
Sounds like a cynical attempt to raise his own personal profile to me - If past experience is anything to go by in the Tory Party he'll also be sharpening a dagger for Cameron's back.
I smell a man who's not given up hope of becoming PM himself!
Sounds like a cynical attempt to raise his own personal profile to me - If past experience is anything to go by in the Tory Party he'll also be sharpening a dagger for Cameron's back.
I smell a man who's not given up hope of becoming PM himself!
It is all well and good David Davis having principles about civil liberties etc.
But at the moment we are at WAR with would be terrorists who live in this country (and other countries) and as we can see by court cases that are going on at this very moment, these are very dangerous people.
During the first world war AND the second world war many people of German birth were locked up for the duration of the war.
Did people shout civil liberties then. Probably not, because they knew that these people may be spies and try to destroy our way of life.
Well we have people in this country NOW who are trying to destroy our way of life and if it means keeping some people in prison for a few days while we find out if they are a terrorist or not then I am in favour of it.
Rather that than having both my legs blown off by a bomb, or have my wife or children killed by some suicide bomber.
But at the moment we are at WAR with would be terrorists who live in this country (and other countries) and as we can see by court cases that are going on at this very moment, these are very dangerous people.
During the first world war AND the second world war many people of German birth were locked up for the duration of the war.
Did people shout civil liberties then. Probably not, because they knew that these people may be spies and try to destroy our way of life.
Well we have people in this country NOW who are trying to destroy our way of life and if it means keeping some people in prison for a few days while we find out if they are a terrorist or not then I am in favour of it.
Rather that than having both my legs blown off by a bomb, or have my wife or children killed by some suicide bomber.
You're wrong Vhelpfulguy
Internment was a HUGE issue in the US.
Even Hoover opposed it!
Over here:
I shall not feel happy, either as an Englishman or as a supporter of this Government, until this bespattered page of our history has been cleaned up and rewritten.
The MP Peter Cazalet, speaking about internment in the House of Commons during the war.
Internment was a HUGE issue in the US.
Even Hoover opposed it!
Over here:
I shall not feel happy, either as an Englishman or as a supporter of this Government, until this bespattered page of our history has been cleaned up and rewritten.
The MP Peter Cazalet, speaking about internment in the House of Commons during the war.
it seems he's putting pressure on the Tories, not Labour: Cameron has refused to promise to abolish the 42-day limit if he gets into power, and Davis doesn't like it. It's hard to see what he personally has to gain from chucking in his job. Cameron would keep his job even if he lost the next election, so Davis has no hope of getting it; he did, however, have a good chance of becoming home secretary and now he won't.
The 42-day business is entirely political willy-waving by party leaders to show how hard they are. The police and security services haven't asked for it, and as far as I know nobody has suggested a single instance of evidence that went undiscovered after 28 days that would have been found in 14 days more.
The 42-day business is entirely political willy-waving by party leaders to show how hard they are. The police and security services haven't asked for it, and as far as I know nobody has suggested a single instance of evidence that went undiscovered after 28 days that would have been found in 14 days more.
I don't know the position in WWI but in WWII some of the internments were 'knee jerk' reactions to the fact that we were at war with Germany and Italy. Many of the people moved to the Isle of Man were Jewish refugees from Fascism who had better reasons to support us in the war than many of the native British. Many were released before the end of the war when the powers that be realised how stupid it was.
On the other hand lots of second and third generation immigrants with German or Italian names found themselves deeply unpopular and may have been safer in internment. One part of my family had an Italian name and all adopted either their mother's or their grandmother's maiden name to get rid of the stigma. Just like the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas and the Battenbergs becoming the Windsors and the Mountbattens in WWI.
On the other hand lots of second and third generation immigrants with German or Italian names found themselves deeply unpopular and may have been safer in internment. One part of my family had an Italian name and all adopted either their mother's or their grandmother's maiden name to get rid of the stigma. Just like the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas and the Battenbergs becoming the Windsors and the Mountbattens in WWI.
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Like many I think terrorists deserve no mercy - but - habeas corpus was won after a tremendous fight and sacrifice by past generations. We should not let our freedom erode because of the actions of a few. I don't trust any UK govenrment these days - central or local. Local authorities are already misusing laws designed against terrorism to snoop on ordianry citizens.
Politicians can never be trusted and the present laws are designed to protect us from them.
Politicians can never be trusted and the present laws are designed to protect us from them.
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