Black Police Authorities warning

[anotheoldgit]

This should follow on from my question "Muslims angered yet again", that was removed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-106913 3/Boris-orders-inquiry-Met-race-claims-Black-P olice-Association-urges-ethnic-recruits-boycot t.html

Black Police Authority said it would be failing in its duty if it did not tell black and ethnic minority potential applicants 'what a hostile and racist situation it is there'.

Britain's only black police chief, Kent's Mike Fuller, says ethnic minority officers have to work twice as hard as whites to get on.

Assistant Commissioner Tarique Ghaffur was put on gardening leave last month after calling a press conference to announce plans to take the force to an employment tribunal, claiming racial discrimination.

Another senior ethnic minority officer, Commander Ali Dizaei, was suspended last month over misconduct allegations.

Can we take the word of these very senior policemen, who seem to have their own very special axe to grind, and who have not done so bad for themselves, thank you very much?

Life was much simpler before we became a multi racial/multi-faith nation.

[sp1814]

You mean like the victim?

I understand your point on whether a third party can report an incident as racist when they are not directly affected by it.

But then again, you would report a burglary even though it's not your house being broken into, wouldn't you?

But I do see your point.

[anotheoldgit]

SP1814

Andrew Marr Born 1959

Dominic Sandbrook born 1974

Let's see a show of hands...who here has had experience of the 1950s and before pre-immigration days.

No need to read in the right wing press about the happy days of the 50s, or for the need of rose tinted spectacles, we know what it was like first hand.

I rest my case.

[anotheoldgit]

Jake

Probably because he said it this morning when the papers were already out.

The on-line papers are up-dated periodically throughout the day.

[sp1814]

anotheoldgit

The difference between Mr Marr and Mr Sandbrook is that they don't have a political axe to grind.

I've read the Daily Mail and books by Sandbrook and Marr and I know who I would turn to for a reasoned study on politics.

Also, Hugo Young.

You can't believe all you read in the papers.

What I know about the 50s is that if you were a woman, you could forget any idea of higher education.

If you were working class, you couldn't entertain the idea of attaining success in management or politics.

If you were working class, forget about university.

The country was run under patrician lines - something like 60 MPs were related to Harold MacMillan by blood or marriage.

There was no such thing as a meritocracy.

Who would want to return to that? To the humiliation of Suez? To the fear of the Cold War?

To no ambition? To council houses with outside baths? To the lack of choice...in anything?

Who would want to go back there. Sounds worse than the seventies.

[Quinlad]

Just a quick note on the assertions that this inquiry is a waste of time/money and that we should let them get back to policing.

1. Because of overwhelming anecdotal evidence (whether true or not), the police is perceived to be racist.
2. That perception is felt among ethnic minorities who, as a result, don't see the police as an attractive employer.
3. That means that they don't apply to work there so that ethnic minorities are under-represented.

Some of you are thinking, 'So what? Why should race matter? It's positive discrimination/political correctness."

It matters because policing relies on the cooperation of the community. And if a community feels that the police don't represent them, it alienates them and creates a them-and-us attitude. That's not a chip on the shoulder, that is human nature. It would be the same for us the other way round.

If they're alienated, they're less likely to report crime, assist with investigations, and boost police intelligence. Put together, that makes the streets less safe and increase crime.

So it'snot really a waste of time. It's essential that we do something about it.

[Quinlad]

AOG,

Simon Shama was born in 1945. Presumably we should dismiss the first 14 and a half episodes of his 15-part multi-award winning series, A History Of Britain.

These young people, coming in thinking they know it all...

[sp1814]

Quinlad

Very well put indeed.