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Is Islam REALLY the religion of peace and forgiveness......
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...or am I confusing a religion for a nation? Sorry, I know this has been discussed on here many times, but I'd not come across apostacy before.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/midd leeast/iran/3179465/Hanged-for-being-a-Christi an-in-Iran.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/midd leeast/iran/3179465/Hanged-for-being-a-Christi an-in-Iran.html
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Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen
Trojan � Sorry brother but I did not mean you said when I used word stupid. And even word stupid I used thinking that it is better than what others are using here. For eg, this post from my little birdie.
birdie1971
Tue 14/10/08
00:52 You seem to place every person who has the temerity to speak out against Islam in the �uninformed� or more usually, the �idiot� category.
Well, that�s good enough for your average sh*t-for-brains sky-fairy worshiping moron, but that�s not good enough for the rest of us free thinking rational human beings.
Please open your eyes and throw your nonsense religion in the bin where it belongs. And that goes for you Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.
Even with this I wonder if only sh*t � brain sky fairy are religious. But my knowledge tells me that there are well educated people as well who are Muslims, Christians, Jews and Hindus etc
Doc � what you said, to be honest that is a typical expression when people do not agree. Its not me only it has been said to so many people before. I wonder if all the people who did not agree with Blair and Bush were forced to leave Britain and USA.
Terambulan � I would love to visit the mosque where Bosnians are not allowed for only because they are Bosnians.
birdie1971
Tue 14/10/08
00:52 You seem to place every person who has the temerity to speak out against Islam in the �uninformed� or more usually, the �idiot� category.
Well, that�s good enough for your average sh*t-for-brains sky-fairy worshiping moron, but that�s not good enough for the rest of us free thinking rational human beings.
Please open your eyes and throw your nonsense religion in the bin where it belongs. And that goes for you Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.
Even with this I wonder if only sh*t � brain sky fairy are religious. But my knowledge tells me that there are well educated people as well who are Muslims, Christians, Jews and Hindus etc
Doc � what you said, to be honest that is a typical expression when people do not agree. Its not me only it has been said to so many people before. I wonder if all the people who did not agree with Blair and Bush were forced to leave Britain and USA.
Terambulan � I would love to visit the mosque where Bosnians are not allowed for only because they are Bosnians.
No your not at least not openly.
But you have a blind intolerance because of a book of fairy tales, you may wish to laed your life by them but they are no reason to take a life, any life.
You wish to manipulate and twist anything, there can be no argument because your little magic book holds all the answers and it can because it has som many interpretations and contradictions.
The pity of it is when your dead, your dead and you will never see the truth.
No your not a racist buy I see you dont deny being a hypocrite.
But you have a blind intolerance because of a book of fairy tales, you may wish to laed your life by them but they are no reason to take a life, any life.
You wish to manipulate and twist anything, there can be no argument because your little magic book holds all the answers and it can because it has som many interpretations and contradictions.
The pity of it is when your dead, your dead and you will never see the truth.
No your not a racist buy I see you dont deny being a hypocrite.
Oh � Now I know. So problem is with the book. Did I force that book on you? At least you did admit that book holds the answers for every thing. I know you said in a different manner but still. And I would appreciate if you could give me some of the contradiction from it. So have been dead once and seen it all. You sound very sure about that. At least I am not a racist now. Thanks for that.
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No I said that you find all the answers in it.
And lets be quite clear on this there are Islamic clerics who say that the book says that to take an innocent life is a sin and you will not get to heaven.
There are mad men who say that under Jihad anyone is fair game even the innocent even the innocent muslim.
Is that not a contradiction or does your book allow both.
And lets be quite clear on this there are Islamic clerics who say that the book says that to take an innocent life is a sin and you will not get to heaven.
There are mad men who say that under Jihad anyone is fair game even the innocent even the innocent muslim.
Is that not a contradiction or does your book allow both.
No- on that I agree with you 99.9% First bit is right and the clerics who are saying that killing any innocent is not only a sin but one of the major sins, are right and are saying that according to the book.
However the ones saying otherwise are not talking about the book. I have no doubt that they are wrong. Because Quran even says that the one who surrender even in the battle field should not be killed and even should be protected as he is depending upon you now.
People of course are using religion for their wrong doings and have done so over the history.
But one final thing I would say here, unless there are same standards and justice in this world, there would be no peace. I have no hesitation saying that innocent being killed by individuals or by countries should be condemned and stopped. Regardless of whom those innocents are. Unless a Palestinian child is as important as Israeli, an Afghan child is as important as an American or British child there would be no peace in the world. What do you think?
However the ones saying otherwise are not talking about the book. I have no doubt that they are wrong. Because Quran even says that the one who surrender even in the battle field should not be killed and even should be protected as he is depending upon you now.
People of course are using religion for their wrong doings and have done so over the history.
But one final thing I would say here, unless there are same standards and justice in this world, there would be no peace. I have no hesitation saying that innocent being killed by individuals or by countries should be condemned and stopped. Regardless of whom those innocents are. Unless a Palestinian child is as important as Israeli, an Afghan child is as important as an American or British child there would be no peace in the world. What do you think?
Sorry forgot to mention one thing about the last part of your post. When people do not act upon the book you can not call it contradiction. Say if car�s manual clearly says use diesel only. And someone puts in petrol. Would you call it a contradiction? Who would you blame, car? manual? or the person who did it?
And there we go.
This is once again Keyplus arguing the toss.
It is a fast growing religion because to go against it is to die.
Case proven in the above story. Go against us and you will die.
Under those extremes it is hardly likely that those in pooer contries where it is growning fast have no choice, espcially where the goverment is peopled mainly by Islamics.
The only person who ever comes on here to argue that Islam is not that bad is you. Where are the rest.
Each time you do you come on with the same old stuff, although I'm suprised we do not have the usual links this time.
if your really believe in it then good for you but who are you try to convince, yourself or us.
The hard you argue the more desperate you become.
A belief in God is at the end of the day within the heart. Books are just an interpretaion of that belief. He is what you do and say to others. He is in the toleration and exceptance of others, not because they worship the same way as you or go to the same church/mosque.
I read the bible because it had some good things to say not because I thought I should.
When it comes down to it all the God that I know wants is for us to love eachother as one. Thats not going to happen when Islam and judaism and christianity are all forcing their way of seeing God down everyone elses throat.
Thats just how I see it.
My personal thoughts on the subject.
This is once again Keyplus arguing the toss.
It is a fast growing religion because to go against it is to die.
Case proven in the above story. Go against us and you will die.
Under those extremes it is hardly likely that those in pooer contries where it is growning fast have no choice, espcially where the goverment is peopled mainly by Islamics.
The only person who ever comes on here to argue that Islam is not that bad is you. Where are the rest.
Each time you do you come on with the same old stuff, although I'm suprised we do not have the usual links this time.
if your really believe in it then good for you but who are you try to convince, yourself or us.
The hard you argue the more desperate you become.
A belief in God is at the end of the day within the heart. Books are just an interpretaion of that belief. He is what you do and say to others. He is in the toleration and exceptance of others, not because they worship the same way as you or go to the same church/mosque.
I read the bible because it had some good things to say not because I thought I should.
When it comes down to it all the God that I know wants is for us to love eachother as one. Thats not going to happen when Islam and judaism and christianity are all forcing their way of seeing God down everyone elses throat.
Thats just how I see it.
My personal thoughts on the subject.
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Is Islam really the religion of peace and forgiveness?
No.
Are the others?
No.
Religions tend to based on a set of rules that more often than not are so obvious they shouldn't even need saying (don't steal, be nice to people, show respect for others etc),. Because they trot out these rules, people seem to think of the religions as having some in-built righteousness.
For my money, the fact that followers have to be threatend with God's wrath before they behave themselves makes them less 'good'. The rest of us do it because we can see the effect our behaviour has on others.
Given the many examples of aggressive behaviour in the name of religion (by just about all of them - Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus), it surprises me that people still buy into this peace, love and understanding bullsh*t.
No.
Are the others?
No.
Religions tend to based on a set of rules that more often than not are so obvious they shouldn't even need saying (don't steal, be nice to people, show respect for others etc),. Because they trot out these rules, people seem to think of the religions as having some in-built righteousness.
For my money, the fact that followers have to be threatend with God's wrath before they behave themselves makes them less 'good'. The rest of us do it because we can see the effect our behaviour has on others.
Given the many examples of aggressive behaviour in the name of religion (by just about all of them - Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus), it surprises me that people still buy into this peace, love and understanding bullsh*t.
Oh dear- seems like I will have to spend a bit more time here.
Dave � If there was no religion there would be a lot less animosity. This may help.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Cul ture/Question602624.html
Gromit � Unfortunately there will always be inequality the world.
I agree with that, but unfortunately inequality is always one directional and that is more worrying.
Tigerlilly � I am not worried about as I have never forced any one and still she is blaming me for that. So she deserved to be ignored.
Doc � he has no idea what he is talking about (read his posts and you would understand), so another time waster. Ignored.
Dave � If there was no religion there would be a lot less animosity. This may help.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Cul ture/Question602624.html
Gromit � Unfortunately there will always be inequality the world.
I agree with that, but unfortunately inequality is always one directional and that is more worrying.
Tigerlilly � I am not worried about as I have never forced any one and still she is blaming me for that. So she deserved to be ignored.
Doc � he has no idea what he is talking about (read his posts and you would understand), so another time waster. Ignored.
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