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Shannon Matthews drugged and tied up!
Well. I have been eagerly waiting for this court case to start to hear the facts about the crime committed...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorksh ire/7724274.stm
Just unbelievable that the mother did this to her own kid! and she was drugged and tied up too! Why is it people like this cant be sterilized! They dont deserve children! So many familes could love Shannon better and care for her better. I hope she is getting over her ordeal and is happier now!
Thank god the police got the the bottom of it all! Well done them! What scum bags!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorksh ire/7724274.stm
Just unbelievable that the mother did this to her own kid! and she was drugged and tied up too! Why is it people like this cant be sterilized! They dont deserve children! So many familes could love Shannon better and care for her better. I hope she is getting over her ordeal and is happier now!
Thank god the police got the the bottom of it all! Well done them! What scum bags!
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>Thousands more like them.
I think that is the key thing, there ARE thousands more like them.
A couple of questions down R1Geezer is saying how all the people who work for social services are useless and the doctors dont know what they are doing.
Easy for him to shout his mouth off AFTER the event, but people who work for social services must see hundreds of children every day who are in vulnerable situations, but they cannot take them ALL away from their parents.
People like R1Geezer think it is easy but I bet if many of us went into some homes to see how people lived we would be horrified and demand the children be removed straight away.
Unfortunately children dont have a label on their head saying "I am going to be killed by my parents in a couple of weeks" and it is very hard to make the correct decision.
(I have to say in the case of Baby P it does seem that there was a failing, but it does not make all people who work in social services stupid. Maybe R1Geezer should spend a few days with social services visiting some homes to see if he thinks it is so easy).
I think that is the key thing, there ARE thousands more like them.
A couple of questions down R1Geezer is saying how all the people who work for social services are useless and the doctors dont know what they are doing.
Easy for him to shout his mouth off AFTER the event, but people who work for social services must see hundreds of children every day who are in vulnerable situations, but they cannot take them ALL away from their parents.
People like R1Geezer think it is easy but I bet if many of us went into some homes to see how people lived we would be horrified and demand the children be removed straight away.
Unfortunately children dont have a label on their head saying "I am going to be killed by my parents in a couple of weeks" and it is very hard to make the correct decision.
(I have to say in the case of Baby P it does seem that there was a failing, but it does not make all people who work in social services stupid. Maybe R1Geezer should spend a few days with social services visiting some homes to see if he thinks it is so easy).
Overfeeding their kids, Nosha?
Have you been to Florida? Some of the kids there, sort of 10 or 12 year olds, can't even walk round the theme parks, because they are so overweight. They have giant sized buggys for them. It's appalling.
And the parents take them for lunch, and put plates in front of them with stacks of burgers, chips, cheesecake, milkshakes.
I just thought ... you guys are killing your kids !!!
And in the Magic Kingdom, you can't buy alcohol, because it's not good for you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, forget the alcohol ... just gimme the three course "Heart Attack Special"
Have you been to Florida? Some of the kids there, sort of 10 or 12 year olds, can't even walk round the theme parks, because they are so overweight. They have giant sized buggys for them. It's appalling.
And the parents take them for lunch, and put plates in front of them with stacks of burgers, chips, cheesecake, milkshakes.
I just thought ... you guys are killing your kids !!!
And in the Magic Kingdom, you can't buy alcohol, because it's not good for you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, forget the alcohol ... just gimme the three course "Heart Attack Special"
>We are supposed to be a civilised society
There has always been an underclass of people, always will be.
I was watching a program about the history of London recently and they were discussing the problem with Gin in Victorian times.
It was the "crack cocaine" of its day (stronger than todays Gin and caused many crimes.
There was one case of a woman who killed her child and buried her because she was drunk on Gin. They called Gin "Mothers Ruin".
Many women turned to prostitution to get money to pay for Gin.
http://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/MothersRu in.htm
The problem nowadays is that with so much TV news, newspapers and the interent we can so easily read about these things.
I dont believe it is any worse now that it has ever been, we just perceive it is worse.
There has always been an underclass of people, always will be.
I was watching a program about the history of London recently and they were discussing the problem with Gin in Victorian times.
It was the "crack cocaine" of its day (stronger than todays Gin and caused many crimes.
There was one case of a woman who killed her child and buried her because she was drunk on Gin. They called Gin "Mothers Ruin".
Many women turned to prostitution to get money to pay for Gin.
http://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/MothersRu in.htm
The problem nowadays is that with so much TV news, newspapers and the interent we can so easily read about these things.
I dont believe it is any worse now that it has ever been, we just perceive it is worse.
With regards to America.. and the Burger Lifestyle.. I do think we have followed their footsteps too closely... we need to look to Europe and the Italian/Spanish diets for a healthier life.
Fat 12 year olds too fat to walk in Disney is just awful!!! They used to say ... "Jees.. Only In America".. only we cant say that anymore can we!!!
Sterilisation I say!!!
Fat 12 year olds too fat to walk in Disney is just awful!!! They used to say ... "Jees.. Only In America".. only we cant say that anymore can we!!!
Sterilisation I say!!!
Boo - it is downright cruel to remove children erroneously from their families, as has happened countless times.
Foster carers and adoptive parents have also been guilty of neglect, cruelty and perversions don't forget.
Social services CANNOT remove children - only the courts can do that, and occasionally police officers.
Social Services can't go in to a home or examine a child with the invitation and consent of the parent, unless their is a court order in place.
Foster carers and adoptive parents have also been guilty of neglect, cruelty and perversions don't forget.
Social services CANNOT remove children - only the courts can do that, and occasionally police officers.
Social Services can't go in to a home or examine a child with the invitation and consent of the parent, unless their is a court order in place.
I didn't say taking children willy nilly Ethel. I'm asking why, if children are that vulnerable, they can't remove them? I don't care if it's one child or thousands- if they in danger- remove them.
As for the rules and regulations of the SS, I obviously don't know them, but it appears to me that that they need to be overhauled so that they do have more power than they have- otherwise I frankly don't see the need for them. If all their powers extend to is saying Child A has a bruise here and there and limbs broken and they are unable to act upon it themselves, then they (through on fault of their own I hasten to add) aren't worth the wage they're recieving.
As for the rules and regulations of the SS, I obviously don't know them, but it appears to me that that they need to be overhauled so that they do have more power than they have- otherwise I frankly don't see the need for them. If all their powers extend to is saying Child A has a bruise here and there and limbs broken and they are unable to act upon it themselves, then they (through on fault of their own I hasten to add) aren't worth the wage they're recieving.
I think R1 was referring to the abonimable case of baby P. In this case yes SS are 100% responsible. Sorry but if you cant see 50 attacks what point are they ?
As for following Europe you Blariites can take a running jum - we are NOT European and anyway look at what pasta does for you (Well the accompanying sauces anyway).
As I said earlier scum like this was used for canon fodder unfortunalty as yet we dont have a replacement.
And yes I do know how the scum live and yes I have been in their houses.
As for following Europe you Blariites can take a running jum - we are NOT European and anyway look at what pasta does for you (Well the accompanying sauces anyway).
As I said earlier scum like this was used for canon fodder unfortunalty as yet we dont have a replacement.
And yes I do know how the scum live and yes I have been in their houses.
Listen VHG, I'd love to be a social worker, I'd have gone round and taken the kid away, b0llux to my boss or any other liberal do gooding tw&t, I don't care if I get fired to save a life. I stand by what I said, social services are staffed by useless ideologists who are more worried about getting a bad appraisal than doing their jobs. 60 visits child dead, not the first time won't be the last untill this left wing experiment is finally over. trouble is they won't take people like me on in this sort of job because they'd be frightened I'd actually do it instead of handwringing and spouting lefty sound bites, VHG? Kn0bhead!
youngmafbog -the SS is not responsible for this. The people that did it are responsible.
slark - I never said police can't enter property. I said they can't remove children except in limited circumstances.
Many, many people genuinely need help from Social Services but are too frightened to ask because they fear the children will be removed. Give the SS more powers then maybe it could have a negative effect.
Lots of people are genuinely terrified of asking for help when they can't cope or have problems.
The SS have come in for a lot of flak for removing children unnecessarily; they get a lot of flak when they don't.
Don't forget the hospitals and doctors failed to see this child had a broken spine and broken ribs.
Regarding Shannon Matthews - what evidence was there prior to this that she was in danger?
slark - I never said police can't enter property. I said they can't remove children except in limited circumstances.
Many, many people genuinely need help from Social Services but are too frightened to ask because they fear the children will be removed. Give the SS more powers then maybe it could have a negative effect.
Lots of people are genuinely terrified of asking for help when they can't cope or have problems.
The SS have come in for a lot of flak for removing children unnecessarily; they get a lot of flak when they don't.
Don't forget the hospitals and doctors failed to see this child had a broken spine and broken ribs.
Regarding Shannon Matthews - what evidence was there prior to this that she was in danger?
Ethel
Just what are the SS there for then. By your statement b*gger all so lets fire their lazy leftie asses and move on.
Relaistically though you speatheth bollok luv. They paid 50- 60 visits and they are there to protect - they failed so they are (albeit secondary) guilty too of beglect.
It is true however it does not negate the responsibility of the parents. My view is the parents (and roger the perv loger) should be doing the Saddam shufflew the social workers should be fired and nver hold public office again along with all of the usless leftie council
Just what are the SS there for then. By your statement b*gger all so lets fire their lazy leftie asses and move on.
Relaistically though you speatheth bollok luv. They paid 50- 60 visits and they are there to protect - they failed so they are (albeit secondary) guilty too of beglect.
It is true however it does not negate the responsibility of the parents. My view is the parents (and roger the perv loger) should be doing the Saddam shufflew the social workers should be fired and nver hold public office again along with all of the usless leftie council
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