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Why is everyone condemning her as racist, when nobody knows which player she was talking about and therefore whether the player does in fact bear resemblance to a golliwog?
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.Every time something like this comes up I just feel so deeply frustrated with the world. Why on earth is it so hard to just never use racist terminology that will offend anyone? Your rights are NOT being eroded, you're just being asked to have common decency for you fellow man and not say things that are going to make them upset, offended or angry.
Rights patently are being eroded. If she in all honesty thought that this player looked like a golliwog, then I see no reason why she shouldn't be able to make that observation? She didn't say that he looked like a n*gger. She didn't say "black people bear an uncanny resemblance to golliwogs."
If this tennis player looks like a golliwog, why should he spend his whole life deprived of knowing it, just because people have become so hysterical about racism that they are incapable of distinguishing between an honest, good-natured observation and some heinous, racist insult, worthy of such a backlash?
If this tennis player looks like a golliwog, why should he spend his whole life deprived of knowing it, just because people have become so hysterical about racism that they are incapable of distinguishing between an honest, good-natured observation and some heinous, racist insult, worthy of such a backlash?
Spacechimp - Have you really got that little idea about how to speak to people with a basic amount of respect? Lets take the race angle out of this for a second. If I see a very fat person on the street, should I point and shout fatty at them? I'm only commenting on what's true? No, I'd be a tactless tw*t.
Golliwog is known to any person with even the most basic levels of empathy and education to be offensive, and if anyone said it to me (I'm white), I'd be horrified and in no uncertain terms tell them.
What are you gaining from fighting to be able to say it?
Golliwog is known to any person with even the most basic levels of empathy and education to be offensive, and if anyone said it to me (I'm white), I'd be horrified and in no uncertain terms tell them.
What are you gaining from fighting to be able to say it?
I think the issue is what the term Golliwog has come to represent - it has a racial connotation attached to it and, as such, it is better avoided when being used to describe someone. While in the individual instance it might not be meant as a racist comment, its a pretty daft term to use to describe a black man.
She wasn't speaking to him though, was she? She mentioned in a private conversation that he looked like a golliwog. (I don't know if he does, because I don't know who he is).
Perhaps it was a rude thing to say, but it's hardly worthy of this response. You think that every time a public figure makes a potentially insulting joke about somebody, they should be threatened with losing their jobs? I'd be horrified if anyone compared me to Stalin, but nobody batted an eyelid when Lord Turnbull was comparing Gordon Brown to him. Of course, the difference between what Carol Thatcher said, and what Lord Turnbull said, was that Turnbull said it in a quite public manner, with obvious malicious intent.
Perhaps it was a rude thing to say, but it's hardly worthy of this response. You think that every time a public figure makes a potentially insulting joke about somebody, they should be threatened with losing their jobs? I'd be horrified if anyone compared me to Stalin, but nobody batted an eyelid when Lord Turnbull was comparing Gordon Brown to him. Of course, the difference between what Carol Thatcher said, and what Lord Turnbull said, was that Turnbull said it in a quite public manner, with obvious malicious intent.
You know the odd thing about this - why don't black celebs get caught out using dodgy language about whites???
I mean, there was Prince Charles and 'Sootygate', his son with the whole 'p@ki' thing, Ron Atkinson calling a player a lazy n!gger...and now Ms Thatcher.
I'm sure this isn't what white people are like generally, so why do celebs keep getting caught?
Can anyone think of a Brit black celeb who has been caught out in 'a private conversation'?
I mean, there was Prince Charles and 'Sootygate', his son with the whole 'p@ki' thing, Ron Atkinson calling a player a lazy n!gger...and now Ms Thatcher.
I'm sure this isn't what white people are like generally, so why do celebs keep getting caught?
Can anyone think of a Brit black celeb who has been caught out in 'a private conversation'?
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