Castration

[brionon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7871783.stm

What do you think ?

[Octavius]

Guy and Cinders, are they taking the pi55?

[Bbbananas]

Mmmmm, definitely tongue-in-cheek names!

[Ethel]

Sadly that report is completely meaningless because all the castratees were volunteers - these were men who were willing to do anything to help them stop . If I remember rightly the castratees were not in the 'violent psychotic' range of offenders.

If they had been injected with a placebo the effects may have been very similar. You will see from the statistics that some did re-offend and the danger is that very dangerous men are able to convince the right people they are safe to be released because the castration, whether surgical or chemical, has successfully changed their pattern of thinking and behaviour.

[jake-the-peg]

How does it matter if it was placebo or not if the effect was 90%?

Even if only a section are appropriate it's still a major opportunity

and these are multiple studies in multiple countries not just one

[Octavius]

If Ethel is right, then perhaps some sort of surgical brain treatment might provide better results, but would that be any more acceptable in civilised society?

[LucyThomas5]

I don't think it should only be done only where there is consent. If you kill someone, does the judge ask for your consent to send you to prison for life?

These people obviously have a deep disregard for the rights of others so they must forfeit their own rights to the benefit of society as a whole.

[jake-the-peg]

There is a massive difference in the invasiveness between brain treatment and surgical castration.

I am also unaware of anything suggesting that would be effective.

Plus the brain is effectively the seat of "self" in the way that the testees are not (Even with teenage boys :c) )

I can see where you're going with this but I really don't think the comparison is in any way valid

[LoftyLottie2]

Noone should have the right to inflict any surgical procedures on any other human being without their consent. It doesn't compare with being sent to prison for life.

[DrFilth]

thats why i love the bbc news all the little snippets of news from around the world


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[Octavius]

Ok, forget intrusive surgery, what about being forced to take mind altering drugs that could rescind any psychological propensity to carry out violent sex attacks?

Would that be acceptable to civilised society?

[LoftyLottie2]

No, I don't think it is OK, Octavius. I know sometimes it has to happen when, say, people are in immediate danger from a violent psycho, etc., but it is still invasive. Life time imprisonment, meaning LIFE, is the only thing I would agree with as punishment.

[Octavius]

I can see that you would want them to pay (a long time) for a past crime, but you would prefer someone was locked up indefinitely in a small cell rather than living an (albeit) inhibited freedom � which through scientific evidence meant they posed no further threat to society?

If they volunteered for the treatment rather than were forced, would you let them out then?

I am not being disingenuous here, I am quite curious about the concept of civilised society on this issue, and where the principles lay.

[anotheoldgit]

I take it that some posters on this subject are qualified physicians, surgeons, psychiatrists or like, which enables them to reach their conclusions?

Well I am definitely not any of these, all I know that it worked on our Dog, castration that is.

But why stop at Men, Women that abuse, kill or ill treat their children, should also receive similar treatment, which would remove the right for them to bring more children into the world.

[LoftyLottie2]

Difficult Octavius, if someone has commited a foul crime and has a life sentence then they should be locked up for life in my opinion - treated like a human being and given necessary comforts but not ever allowed out - even if they agreed to drug therapy or invasive surgery. In those circumstances then they wouldn't probably agree to it.

There would be no guarantee that they wouldn't reoffend and commit dreadful crimes even with treatment.

However, if the crime were less severe and had received a lesser penalty and the offender agreed to drugs/surgery, then it obviously might be to the advantage of society and the offender.

But considering the length of sentences prescribed means very little as to the the time actually served, it's all a bit pointless.

[PeasAndRice]

if it were my kid i have to say id struggle to not do anything more serious myself....the most cowardly crime ever....

i dont really see the problem with a death sentance in the most serious of cases....

[LoftyLottie2]

I can assure you AOG, that castration won't necessarily stop LEARNED aggressive behaviour in dogs. Castration has to take place whilst a dog is very young in order to be (usually) successful.

[LoftyLottie2]

We may not be qualified AOG, but most of us are reasonably intelligent and can learn by reading, listening and understanding the words of those that are wiser and more knowledgeable than us on certain subjects. We learn by debate as well.

There is no need for your sarcastic remarks about fellow ABers.

[rov1200]

Losing your willie for having sex with a 15 year old girl might seem over the top for many!

[kevo2k7]

1000000000% Agree,this law should apply worldwide and they should also be sent to testing labs and used as lab rats instead of innocent Animals!! Human rights should be stripped of anyone who commits Murder Paeophilia Rape etc!!!!

[LoftyLottie2]

So the way we act is to act just the same towards them. It makes us just as bad. Would you personally like to do these experiments you talk of?