Should Britain care?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-116270 2/French-immigration-minister-pours-scorn-UK-c laims-plan-halt-migrants-Calais.html

Britain is willing to help pay for and run the camp, Mr Woolas said, and to share the costs of flights with the French authorities to deport illegal immigrants back to their homes in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere before they can reach the UK.

Why should we even get involved in this venture? Immigrants on French soil are the French's problem not ours.

Would they bother if the roles were reversed and the immigrants were hanging about on our shores waiting to get into France?

I don't think so somehow do you?

[R1Geezer]

I agree AOG, All the EU should enforce the current regs. In the case you describe it's entirely a froggy issue.

[rov1200]

As the immigrants are building up at Calais ready to go to Britain its equally as much our problem as theres. So nipping it in the bud before having to deal with it here is a good thing and saves our taxpayer money in the long run. It depends on which paper you read but according to this article its almost a done thing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5007578 /Detention-centre-planned-for-illegal-immigran ts-in-Calais.html

Also the Times say that 10 illegal immigrants enter Britain from Calais every day on the backs of lorries. As a solution why don't trucks have a padlock fitted so the doors cannot be swung open as shown on the news the other day?

This was a requirement for the haulage industry in the UK so goods were not stolen. The cost would be under �10 per truck.

[R1Geezer]

sorry it's not our problem, under the regs they should apply in the First safe country, now I realise that France may not be their first choice but I think it qualifies. They should not even be allowed off the boat and those caught should go straight back asap. Its up to the frogs to sort out this mess.

[rov1200]

It is our problem because so many seem to avoid the controls of the Border police. Get them locked up and deported back to Iraq or Afghanistan before they can even think about crossing the channel.

[anotheoldgit]

As the immigrants are building up at Calais ready to go to Britain its equally as much our problem as theres.

I do not agree once we become involved the onus will be on our shoulders. First and foremost it is the French's problem for allowing them over their borders in the first place.

Get them locked up and deported back to Iraq or Afghanistan

If it was as easy as this, we wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem in the first place.

What I cannot understand is why is it so easy for them to smuggle themselves over in lorries? If it had been as easy as this after D Day, why didn't we have half the German army coming over in the backs of lorries, so as to attack us in a late rear action?

[The Sherman]

You do realise you're talking about actual human beings here?

[rov1200]

AOG I think the French would be less likely to adhere to the EUHR rules than Britain and as they entered the country illegally would have less compunction of bowing to the left wing lobby which many believe has been the downfall of Britain.

[rov1200]

Do we really want to import this violence?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/73261/Imm igrants-riot-in-Calais/

[anotheoldgit]

The Sherman

They well may be human beings, but it is not our fault that they are stranded in Calais, they came under their own steam, and are quite free to return back the same way.

Do you really believe that we can support all the worlds immigrants that wish to settle in Britain?

rov1200's two links illustrate the kind of individuals that we could be lumbered with.

[New Judge]

The impression given, certainly by Jacqui Smith, is that these proposed centres will be holding camps for vast hoards of illegal immigrants rounded up from Calais and other parts of northern France, who will be swiftly shipped out to their respective homelands by charter jet. Don�t hold your breath.

Many of those involved �have committed no offence� and so there will be no grounds for their detention. Arriving in a country with no papers or forged documents is, apparently, insufficient for detention. Nor is continually trespassing and breaking into vehicles. �Legal teams� will be swiftly drafted in to secure the release of those �illegally detained�.

To warrant detention they must have had an asylum application � and the multitude of appeals that follow - turned down. Those involved have no intention of applying for asylum in France. As is obvious, the UK is their preferred final destination.

Among the facilities on offer at the new establishments (apart from ablutions and hot soup) will be �advice on how to claim asylum once they arrive in Britain�. This is not from the Daily Mail, but is a quote from M. Eric Besson, the French Immigration Minister.

So there you have it. The UK taxpayer, �jointly� funding these new centres, is being told they will be used to hold those eager to enter the UK illegally until they can be repatriated. The French Minister, meanwhile, is making arrangements for advice to be given to the inmates on how to do something �once they arrive in Britain� � something which he should be encouraging them to do in France.

Who do we believe? I know where my money is. Never mind. The country will have an even bigger pool of �desperately needed workers� (latest unemployment total >2 million) from which to choose once the inmates arrive after a much needed wash and brush up.

[The Sherman]

No I don't AOG but that doesn't mean I regard them as any less than I regard say, you!

I think we're in a very privileged psotion in this country and should give aid to as many of these countries as we possibly can!

[rov1200]

If someone has been classed as an illegal immigrant to my mind he has committed an offence. There must have been a border illegally passed by getting into the EU in the first place whether France or anywhere else. I cannot see many countries in the world where you can cross legally without telling the authorities?

[New Judge]

You are quite right, rov.

Unfortunately the French (and indeed the British) authorities do not quite see it that way. Illegal immigrants are not detained in France or the UK. In France they are routinely hauled out of the back of lorries bound for the UK and simply given a lift back to the �jungle� area on the outskirts of Calais. If they do make it to the UK, upon discovery they are asked to report to the Home Office's Immigration Centre in Croydon. As I have said once or twice on AB, surprisingly many of them get lost on the way.

The situation is scandalous and ludicrous but is perpetuated mainly by Human Rights legislation which seems to suggest that people have the right to turn up in European nations without identification and be allowed to roam free whilst their situation is assessed. This process that takes some years in most cases, by which case the appellants have either disappeared or have established a �family life� here making the courts even more reluctant to deport them.

Residents of the UK deserve better, but are unlikely to get it.