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So they are all the same ?
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I have observed over the last months condemnation of some on here ( and by tory politicians ) of Labour party politicians expenses claims ; suggesting that's one of the reasons we now need a tory Government .
Now that shadow government politicians have been shown as also having their snouts in the same trough
( unsuprisingly ) - what say you now - or will you remain silent on the matter .
By the way , I have no particular political leaning - i'm just curious to see where people now stand .
Now that shadow government politicians have been shown as also having their snouts in the same trough
( unsuprisingly ) - what say you now - or will you remain silent on the matter .
By the way , I have no particular political leaning - i'm just curious to see where people now stand .
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I dont blame the politicians for abusing their expenses accounts, to be honest, if I could get away with getting free stuff like they do, I'd do it as well!
I do however blame the system that allows them to do this.Our country is drowning in debt and yet we seem capable of funding these leeches. When these stories came out, I'm sure I wasn't alone in thinking "And they have the cheek to tell us how to live our lives!!"
In answer to your question, they're all as bad as each other, each and every one of them.
I do however blame the system that allows them to do this.Our country is drowning in debt and yet we seem capable of funding these leeches. When these stories came out, I'm sure I wasn't alone in thinking "And they have the cheek to tell us how to live our lives!!"
In answer to your question, they're all as bad as each other, each and every one of them.
The present rules for MP expenses have been in use since the 1960s. It is not very likely, that the present politicians are the first to 'play' the system. It is more likely that these abuses have been happening for decades and that all through the Thatcher years and the Blair years politicians were pushing the limits for what they were claiming expenses for.
You are wrong in your question to say Tory politicians have been condemning Labour Politicians. In fact, the condemnation has been noticeable by its absence. The Tory politicians knew they were as equally guilty and have been keeping quiet.
You are wrong in your question to say Tory politicians have been condemning Labour Politicians. In fact, the condemnation has been noticeable by its absence. The Tory politicians knew they were as equally guilty and have been keeping quiet.
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Yes they are all the same. I think the thing is though you sort of expect it from the Tories, because, ..well just because they're Tories and that's what they do.
When you find out Labour are just as bad it seems like a greater betrayal, because these are supposed to be the good guys aren't they. These are the people with the moral compass who are love pontificating from the moral high ground about how greed is a terrible thing and how they're all about looking after the disadvantaged of society. When you find out they're just the same it's like the pigs have occupied the farmhouse and started walking upright.
When you find out Labour are just as bad it seems like a greater betrayal, because these are supposed to be the good guys aren't they. These are the people with the moral compass who are love pontificating from the moral high ground about how greed is a terrible thing and how they're all about looking after the disadvantaged of society. When you find out they're just the same it's like the pigs have occupied the farmhouse and started walking upright.
Yes they are all the same. I think the thing is though you sort of expect it from the Tories, because, ..well just because they're Tories and that's what they do.
When you find out Labour are just as bad it seems like a greater betrayal, because these are supposed to be the good guys aren't they. These are the people with the moral compass who are love pontificating from the moral high ground about how greed is a terrible thing and how they're all about looking after the disadvantaged of society. When you find out they're just the same it's like the pigs have occupied the farmhouse and started walking upright.
When you find out Labour are just as bad it seems like a greater betrayal, because these are supposed to be the good guys aren't they. These are the people with the moral compass who are love pontificating from the moral high ground about how greed is a terrible thing and how they're all about looking after the disadvantaged of society. When you find out they're just the same it's like the pigs have occupied the farmhouse and started walking upright.
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I think I'm right in saying that there are some 646 MPs? It would be wrong to classify this as a cancer endemic to any one party. Each single MP has to be judged on his/her merits.
Those whom it can be shown have blatantly ripped off the taxpayer should either pay back their excesses or resign. This is what would happen in a just society but I for one live in the real world and know therefore that it would never happen.
What's therefore a sensible solution? That's the $64000 question (probably the average amount the taxpayer has been ripped off by?). If I knew the answer I too would be as rich as some of these "representatives" of ours.
It's a double edged sword. Come General Election time, even if we don't vote for the "named and shamed", who DO we vote for? How can you tell someone's character and integrity? Just because they've never been convicted of a crime, which should debar anyone from becoming an MP, how can we tell that they won't do likewise once elected?
People will end up not voting because of a complete lack of faith, and that, ironically, would make a mockery of the very democracy in which we live.
Those whom it can be shown have blatantly ripped off the taxpayer should either pay back their excesses or resign. This is what would happen in a just society but I for one live in the real world and know therefore that it would never happen.
What's therefore a sensible solution? That's the $64000 question (probably the average amount the taxpayer has been ripped off by?). If I knew the answer I too would be as rich as some of these "representatives" of ours.
It's a double edged sword. Come General Election time, even if we don't vote for the "named and shamed", who DO we vote for? How can you tell someone's character and integrity? Just because they've never been convicted of a crime, which should debar anyone from becoming an MP, how can we tell that they won't do likewise once elected?
People will end up not voting because of a complete lack of faith, and that, ironically, would make a mockery of the very democracy in which we live.
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MPs, I thought, were accountable? If yes, then they cannot simply blame "the system" for their own personal greed and avarice. How can tampons, bathplugs, kit kats, pet food, porno dvds etc be classified as "necessarily incurred" expenses?
The wider picture including the scandal of the homes' "flipping" fiasco can in no way be blamed on "the system". Are these people actually asking us to believe that their "innocent naivety" allowed them to accumulate many thousands of pounds at taxpayers' expense, sometimes several times over, simply because "the system" condoned it? To use a cliche well worn in political circles, it beggars belief!
There are some 646 MPs and who knows how many of those have consistently abused "the system" by literally biting off the hand that feeds them, i.e. the good old British taxpayers.
The only reason why we're now getting "heartfelt apologies" from them is not borne from contrition or conscience, but merely because they've been caught red handed with their sticky, grasping little digits in the till, banged to rights!
I have little doubt that instead of mass resignations of MPs, we will indeed have a witchhunt instigated by the very perpetrators themselves to find some suitable scapegoats, i.e. faceless civil servants from the claims department sanctioning their wrongdoings.
The system may indeed be flawed but no one forced any of the "honourable members" to exploit it so ruthlessly and callously in order to extract every last penny they could from the unsuspecting taxpayer.
The system obviously needs a drastic overhaul but isn't that also what Westminster needs too?
The wider picture including the scandal of the homes' "flipping" fiasco can in no way be blamed on "the system". Are these people actually asking us to believe that their "innocent naivety" allowed them to accumulate many thousands of pounds at taxpayers' expense, sometimes several times over, simply because "the system" condoned it? To use a cliche well worn in political circles, it beggars belief!
There are some 646 MPs and who knows how many of those have consistently abused "the system" by literally biting off the hand that feeds them, i.e. the good old British taxpayers.
The only reason why we're now getting "heartfelt apologies" from them is not borne from contrition or conscience, but merely because they've been caught red handed with their sticky, grasping little digits in the till, banged to rights!
I have little doubt that instead of mass resignations of MPs, we will indeed have a witchhunt instigated by the very perpetrators themselves to find some suitable scapegoats, i.e. faceless civil servants from the claims department sanctioning their wrongdoings.
The system may indeed be flawed but no one forced any of the "honourable members" to exploit it so ruthlessly and callously in order to extract every last penny they could from the unsuspecting taxpayer.
The system obviously needs a drastic overhaul but isn't that also what Westminster needs too?
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