EU, A shinning New Era?

[R1Geezer]

Now that Europe has finally been conquered and duly subjugated what is the next step for the united states of Europe? EU wide income tax? forces? foriegn Policy? The Europhiles are going to great lengths to reassure us that the new president etc are mere spokes people, am I alone in finding that worrying? Is this like Heath in 1973 saying " There are those that think this move will lead to us being absorbed into a European supersstate, I can reassure you that, that is not the case"? - words to that effect. Do you think we'll ever get the accounts signed off?

[TTG]

They will bring in laws that suit France and Germany more than any other country.

[jake-the-peg]

You are looking at the wrong thing

The shining new era is not the two new roles - it is majority voting - this will start to streamline things and stop it being the lumbering behmoth that you Europhobes are always complaining about!

Are you Irish TTS? from Luxembourg perhaps?

I can't imagine why you'd be worried about dominance from France and Germany being from one of the largest European states - ( soon to be the largest )

France and Germany are more worried about having a whopping great UK cuckoo in the nest!

[youngmafbog]

So much for millions dying in the war then.

Brown acheived with a single swipe of a pen what hitler failed to do. Traitor he should be hung drawn ans quatered and his head put on a spike at the City gates.

And if France is so wonderfull why are they not net contributors like us and Germany.

Truth is they want to asset strip us.

[R1Geezer]

Have you lived in either? Or is that just standard anti British lefty rhetoric Zheul?

[jno]

youngmafbog, the big steps into the EU were taken under the Tories - most recently the Maastricht treaty, by Maggie.

Gordon Brown is of course to blame for the weather, sunspot activity and Thierry Henry's handball. But he didn't take us into the EU.

[jake-the-peg]

I'd say the quality of life in France (and probably Germany) is much the same as here but it does vary quite a bit.

Employment's quite hard to come by in the South - many come to the North to find good jobs.
French healthcare topped the WHO league table a while back

I spent a few months living and working in Germany but that's 20 years ago now so I can't really comment.

[jake-the-peg]

The simple fact is this

Together we're stronger

The world is full of multinationals that like to throw their weight around - Can you imagine the UK government fining Microsoft? or Standing up to George Bush's illegal steel embargos?

That's why Murdoch will do anything to scupper the EU

[R1Geezer]

"together we are stronger" - Jake I' glad you said it! Yes if it where the case I'd be 100% in agreement, however the rest of the EU are in it for what they can get out of it. It's a lovely fluffy bunny idea but in reality it's a club for shafting the British, we are the only kin idiots that obey the ever more rediculous rules where all the other countries send their most EU sceptics to Europe to get the best deal for them. Where as we send EU friendly gutless idealist little sh1t bags like Kinnochio and patten to lay down and get butt fcuked on prime time TV. Together we would be stronger, indeed jake, indeed!

[kinell]

evidently france and germany are better and more prosperous than the uk

thats why the festering immigrants are queueing up in cess holes trying to get over here

[kinell]

zeuhl

well spotted

the eu is not and will never be an area of overall equality and responsibility

hardly a union then

[brionon]

Geezer I believe that you believe that Europe is just an Anti British conspiracy. All those countries got together to shaft us ? Sorry mate but That's Paranoia.

[rov1200]

I thought nothing could exceed water-boarding torture but the brainwashing by papers like the Sun take some beating with its anti-EU stance.

[BillyBB]

R1 - continuing Le Grande Project until the commissars become unbearable and then bloody insurgence until individual states seperate again.
The EU is now built to the Soviet design with the parliament just rubber stamping the decisions made by unelected committees. The way it is run will lead to more and more corruption.
The Eastern bloc grew more and more authoritarian until the populace turned, USSR disintegrated, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia etc all ended in bloodshed. Meanwhile the population suffered shortages of essential items for no reason except left/marxist politics. It will take many many years to grow and turn bad but it could all happen to the EU, though I doubt we will be queuing for bread. I am sure membership will lower overall prosperity and those who suffer most will of course be the ones most likely to vote for it - see Glasgow East.
Europe will never acheive the unity of the USA and attempts to create a federal Europe will be doomed in the long run.
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[BillyBB]

Jake - you really cannot imagine a UK govt standing up to a corporation? No wonder you seem to want to be part of the superstate. Again I say we are better off out of the EU which has sponsored some amazing corporatism and will get worse - see Greek and Italian civil engneering projects for evidence of large scale corruption, tied in with several German firms too.
If Microsoft etc want to trade and sell here they will conform to our rules, better if we can make our own rules and better any lobbying has to occur in Westminster where we might be able to uncover and control it rather than in Brussells where we could n't do anything about it even if it made the front pages

We need a government with strength and honesty, concerned for the UK rather than lining their own pockets. Sadly few of the LibLabCon troughers give voters that option. - Hopefully R1 will run for president

[BillyBB]

Do I get a badge yet?

I will try to find some links to the airport story, it cost billions and the accounts do not show where half of the money went.