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Ex-servicemen have difficulty getting jobs ?
The government says despite their skills ex-servicemen have difficulty in getting jobs.
This applies to all ranks and irrespective of length of service. Why should that be ?
This applies to all ranks and irrespective of length of service. Why should that be ?
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It is many years since I spent 7 years in the army so my experience may not be relevant to today's servicemen but I do empathise with present ex-servicemen.
I was not qualified in any trade when I was attracted to the slogan 'Join the Army and learn a trade '. I joined and my sole trade training lasted 6 weeks. When I left 7 years later I managed to get on another 6 week course . The instructors on both those courses had had no practical experience themselves. It was all theory. My military training apart from self discipline had little application in a civilian context. In those days the government did not prepare servicemen during or after their service for civilian life. If what I read is correct it would appear little has changed.
I was not qualified in any trade when I was attracted to the slogan 'Join the Army and learn a trade '. I joined and my sole trade training lasted 6 weeks. When I left 7 years later I managed to get on another 6 week course . The instructors on both those courses had had no practical experience themselves. It was all theory. My military training apart from self discipline had little application in a civilian context. In those days the government did not prepare servicemen during or after their service for civilian life. If what I read is correct it would appear little has changed.
It can go eitherway. With the amount of civilian companies carring out military contracts the prospects for trained servicemen is very good these days. I work for a company that does as such and service people can walk out of the army after 22 years on full pension and do the same job they did as a civilian for 3 times the wages and better working conditions.
My advice would be to join a trade, royal engineers, signal corps etc.
My advice would be to join a trade, royal engineers, signal corps etc.
Most of the skills learnt in the Army have no use in civvy street. Also unless you have moved up the promotion ladder you are not able to think for yourself and need telling how to do the simplest things. No gumption is allowed and if it appears will be immediately squashed.
Officers can relinquish their commission but other ranks have to stay put or after a number of years can buy themselves out. To some its just like a prison sentence waiting for demob.
Officers can relinquish their commission but other ranks have to stay put or after a number of years can buy themselves out. To some its just like a prison sentence waiting for demob.
Rov, well done on writing the most factually incorrect post this year (so far).
"Most of the skills" such as loyalty, appearance and bearing, self-discipline, attention to detail, teamwork, punctuality, honesty, the courage to admit when they've made a mistake. Yeah generally employers hate these sorts of things.
Also what about skills such as HGV Licences, Microsoft certified software engineers, instructor qualifications. Do empoyers not like these either?
As for your assumption that junior soldiers cannot think for themselves. Mate you're a mis-informed numpty of the highest order. We can and do think for ourselves on a regular basis. Why only this morning I had to choose brown socks or black. (I went for the brown). Seriously 'gumption' is not only allowed, it's encouraged. Managers want there guys to be able to think for themselves, and they want these guys to develop the managment skills required to lead others.
Finally, your point about buying out and demob. Again wronger than a wrong thing on wrong day. If we want out prior to the end of our contract we simply hand our notice in. Admitedly the notice period is longer than civvy street but replacing someone is a more complex process than civvy street as well. The only exception to this is called 'Return Of Service' and this is where the mob states that you are not allowed to leave for a period of time after they've just given you something. It may be a bonus or a qualification, but they expect you to hang around a bit so they don't feel that they've just spunked all the money up the wall.
"Most of the skills" such as loyalty, appearance and bearing, self-discipline, attention to detail, teamwork, punctuality, honesty, the courage to admit when they've made a mistake. Yeah generally employers hate these sorts of things.
Also what about skills such as HGV Licences, Microsoft certified software engineers, instructor qualifications. Do empoyers not like these either?
As for your assumption that junior soldiers cannot think for themselves. Mate you're a mis-informed numpty of the highest order. We can and do think for ourselves on a regular basis. Why only this morning I had to choose brown socks or black. (I went for the brown). Seriously 'gumption' is not only allowed, it's encouraged. Managers want there guys to be able to think for themselves, and they want these guys to develop the managment skills required to lead others.
Finally, your point about buying out and demob. Again wronger than a wrong thing on wrong day. If we want out prior to the end of our contract we simply hand our notice in. Admitedly the notice period is longer than civvy street but replacing someone is a more complex process than civvy street as well. The only exception to this is called 'Return Of Service' and this is where the mob states that you are not allowed to leave for a period of time after they've just given you something. It may be a bonus or a qualification, but they expect you to hang around a bit so they don't feel that they've just spunked all the money up the wall.
He's a Corporal, and he is crew commander on reccy tanks - Household Cav. Been to Iraq 3 times, Afghan once and due back there in Oct. I'm very proud of him, but when the time comes for him to leave, I think he will be just so used to the 'regimental' way of things, and will find it hard to adjust to civilian life. I could of course. be proved wrong.
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