Court Rules In Favour Of "Gay" Asylum Seekers.

[OrcadianOil]

A Supreme Court ruling has allowed two homosexuals, from Cameroon and Iran respectively, to gain asylum here in the UK because they claimed that being sent back to their own countries would be detrimental to their safety, as homosexuals.
Is this a humane judgement to be accepted without comment?
Or could it be the opening of the floodgates as a means to bogus asylum seekers merely claiming to be homosexual in order for their applications to succeed?
The only thing which troubles me is: how does one prove that s/he is a homosexual?


http://www.dailymail....tle-stay-Britain.html

[rowanwitch]

sp1814 some of us try to see both sides but unfortunately there are a few hard core members who have their opinions set with superglue and are not for budging....I don't always join in these posts but I sometimes just get my evil head on and feel the urge to challenge them a little.

[Ankou]

oh i get it. joe luke is playing mr controversial in the hope that heated debate can ensue.

how very quaint.

[jackthehat]

Unfortuantely not, Ankou.

He really seems to hold these views............he's a 'real man', you see.........no sandals or flip-flops for him !!

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

/// And if so how you'd distinguish those who should get it and those who should be refused ///

Surely the law states that the asylum seeker should seek asylum in the first safe country they come to.

Is Britain the only safe country in the world?

[VHG]

Not long ago being gay for men was illegal in this country. Men were imprisoned for it, beaten up, blackmailed etc.

We now have a more enlightened attitude to gays, but many other countries have not caught up.

However we cant take EVERY person from EVERY country who happens to live in a country not as enlightened as ours.

Probably 95% of the people in India are worse off than us in the UK, does that mean we should accept them all if they came her for asylum.

btw Alan Turing did in fact commit suicide in this country due to harrassment by the secret service and police due to him being gay. As a country WE had to go through that and come out the other side, and I am afraid other counties do as well.

We cant take ALL the unfortunates in the world (after all who looked after us during the second world war when the Germans were dropping bombs here every night).

[ummmm]

Ankou....Jack is right I'm afraid.

[joeluke]

It's called an opinion, we're all entittled to em

[Ankou]

yes joe. but imagine if you lived in a country where that wasn't an entitlement.

[joeluke]

If I did then that would by MY problem, not some other country's on another continent

[rowanwitch]

"A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "

yes you are entitled to your opinion, some of us decide what to think based on evidence and experience..

[ummmm]

It's not an opinion Joe....It's a belief.

People change their opinions....but rarely change their beliefs.

[Ankou]

yes, and what would you do about it then ?

[anotheoldgit]

rowanwitch

/// South Africa is home to the only gay pride march on the African continent, the Joburg Pride held in Johannesburg. The inaugural parade was held in 1990 with fewer than one thousand participants and it has grown considerably throughout the years, with over 20,000 participants in 2009.///

/// and I know a S A lesbian couple who came to theUK so they could be together and whose families have disowned them///

/// young gay men and women would try very hard to conform, especially under pressure from their families ///

You cannot expect Britain to accept every asylum seeker that does not get on with their families.

[joeluke]

rowanwitch........and what exactly is your 'evidence and experience' of homosexual asylum seekers and whether they are genuine or not?

No I didn't think so

[rowanwitch]

I have known enough people who have suffered abuse and violence for their beliefs from a number of countries via my work and other activities to know that at some point some one has to help and I agree it would be good if some felt other closer nations offered a safe haven, 'the first safe border idea..'

as far as south africa is concerned I know it is further down the road to being a tolerant society than many in Africa, but it is still a mile behind many countries in the west, Jo burg is a very modern city, I would be interested to see a breakdown of those attending the pride event there, by background/ethnicity and also by where the attendees had come from if I can find this out i will get back to you, as I have suspicions that there will be a degree of cultural bias in the numbers....Organisations like stonewall may have the data. but I know they will have their own agenda and my not be the best source.. I admit those SA people I know will not be an adequate sample to make a value judgement but they at least were able to offer first hand insight. but that is the point I am not making a value judgement...I am trying to say these issues are not black and white,, I feel that it is better to allow a few too many to come than risk missing the genuine cases.

[joeluke]

Africa's problems are..........Africa's problems

Why should they end up being a burden on us?

[Ankou]

you feel the same about aids and drought then joe.

how very quaint.

[ummmm]

Nice isn't he....

[jackthehat]

Water off a ducks' back to joe..............he's a geezer. He knows what's right. End of !

[joeluke]

Aids originated from Africa.......and has escalated into a worldwide problem