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Asked to fill in an opinion survey recently on alcohol problems and minimum pricing, I said that I thought the availability of alcohol was a major factor in the social problems it caused, and not the price.
I believe that the poorer people who like a drink should not be discriminated against, but rather a return to more restrictive opening hours, reduced hours for clubs in particular, and designated alcohol outlets rather than the corner shop and supermarkets.
What do you think?
I believe that the poorer people who like a drink should not be discriminated against, but rather a return to more restrictive opening hours, reduced hours for clubs in particular, and designated alcohol outlets rather than the corner shop and supermarkets.
What do you think?
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Comes down to respect of people and property .Just because we have drink it does not give us the right to be rude .violent to property or to the person .If drink causes people to be like that then they should have the manners and good judgement not to put them selves in that position.As a doctor or clergy man once said"I have never been called out at three in the morning because some one has smoked to much "(Ciggies that is )
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The British approach to drinking is very different. Growing up as a lad in Britian I can recall the peer pressure to being able to 'keep up with everyone else' in the drinking stakes. To order a soft drink as part of a round would often call for derisory comments from all your mates, 'lightweight' etc.
Its something we all go through as a rite of passage growing up in this country. I grew out of it. I dont think the problem was any worse today than it was 25 years ago. With the advent of CCTV cameras, programmes such a 'Booze Britain' the media are treating this as their new toy, predictably the government feign concern and make a few token measures to appease the concerned.
Has alcoholism risen over the years as a direct result of cheap drink?
Its something we all go through as a rite of passage growing up in this country. I grew out of it. I dont think the problem was any worse today than it was 25 years ago. With the advent of CCTV cameras, programmes such a 'Booze Britain' the media are treating this as their new toy, predictably the government feign concern and make a few token measures to appease the concerned.
Has alcoholism risen over the years as a direct result of cheap drink?
Booldawg - when I was eighteen - 1978 - I was utterly alone as a teetotaller, and have lost count of the jeers of "Go on, have a drink ..." and "How can you enjoy yourself without a drink .." and so on and so on.
The culture of drinking to excess has always been with us - the problem is compounded by cheap prices - 'vertical' bars (its proven people drink more if they stand all night, so bars remove or reduce the seating) and the increasing attitude that you have not enjoyed yourself if you can remember anything past nine o'clock.
The government wilfully chooses not to adress this issue as the social problem that it is, and offers us extended drinking and a 'cafe' society which was so laughable, were it not so serious.
The culture of drinking to excess has always been with us - the problem is compounded by cheap prices - 'vertical' bars (its proven people drink more if they stand all night, so bars remove or reduce the seating) and the increasing attitude that you have not enjoyed yourself if you can remember anything past nine o'clock.
The government wilfully chooses not to adress this issue as the social problem that it is, and offers us extended drinking and a 'cafe' society which was so laughable, were it not so serious.
Is the problem with the amount we're drinking as a nation or the behaviour of us when drunk?
Look at Finland - alcoholism is the number 1 killer. Thats a health issue, but I doubt loads of Fins are spilling out onto the streets at 2am, being sick, fighting etc. We're not alone in over consumption of alcohol by any means.
So the problem of behaviour is social as Woofgang said early on in this thread. This problem is endemic in the UK not rears its head not only in the pubs and clubs but in the classrooms and homes up and down the UK. Lack of respect, discipline and family values. We've all been told to 'be ourselves', dont listen to parents, teachers - do whatever. Where have we learnt that?
Look at Finland - alcoholism is the number 1 killer. Thats a health issue, but I doubt loads of Fins are spilling out onto the streets at 2am, being sick, fighting etc. We're not alone in over consumption of alcohol by any means.
So the problem of behaviour is social as Woofgang said early on in this thread. This problem is endemic in the UK not rears its head not only in the pubs and clubs but in the classrooms and homes up and down the UK. Lack of respect, discipline and family values. We've all been told to 'be ourselves', dont listen to parents, teachers - do whatever. Where have we learnt that?
Really Andy? I didn't drink as a teenager. I had my first drink (on a night out) on my 21st birthday. Then my drinking was very occasional. I drink more now than I ever did in the age group that gets slated.
The person who insisted I had that drink on my 21st was my Dads mate....none of my friends did.
(I wonder if Jack remembers him)
The person who insisted I had that drink on my 21st was my Dads mate....none of my friends did.
(I wonder if Jack remembers him)
I hope you were joking when you commented on “Vodka eyeballing” Ludwig:
“Sadly this is what happens when people get too p1ssed to find their own mouth with the glass NJ. We've all done it - I know I have.”
Actually I cannot ever remember pouring drink into my eyes – and I have been inebriated to quite a high level once or twice. Yes, I may have been so intoxicated that I do not remember, but I’m sure somebody would have told me about it.
This phenomenon is indicative of what many have said here. People, particularly youngsters, drink simply to get drunk and for no other reason. They might just as well take alcohol intravenously. No amount of petty tinkering with pricing policy will alter this. People who can afford to buy Vodka to pour into their eyes (and who the next day take to the streets complaining about how much their education costs) will not be deterred by a few pence on the price of their shots.
“Sadly this is what happens when people get too p1ssed to find their own mouth with the glass NJ. We've all done it - I know I have.”
Actually I cannot ever remember pouring drink into my eyes – and I have been inebriated to quite a high level once or twice. Yes, I may have been so intoxicated that I do not remember, but I’m sure somebody would have told me about it.
This phenomenon is indicative of what many have said here. People, particularly youngsters, drink simply to get drunk and for no other reason. They might just as well take alcohol intravenously. No amount of petty tinkering with pricing policy will alter this. People who can afford to buy Vodka to pour into their eyes (and who the next day take to the streets complaining about how much their education costs) will not be deterred by a few pence on the price of their shots.
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Steve.5 - I was! Anything my drunken friends would do, i would do, be it simply being loud, or dancing on table tops.
When I used the phrase 'alone' - I meant, as in I was the only tee-totaller in my circle of friends. I met with them in the pub and drank soft drinks, and eventually they accepted my dislike of alcohol (the only reason i didn;t drink it - and still don't!) so if I inferred i was some sort of killjoy, ii assure you the opposite is the case!
When I used the phrase 'alone' - I meant, as in I was the only tee-totaller in my circle of friends. I met with them in the pub and drank soft drinks, and eventually they accepted my dislike of alcohol (the only reason i didn;t drink it - and still don't!) so if I inferred i was some sort of killjoy, ii assure you the opposite is the case!
That's the issue LoftyLottie - in our younger days (I know I know ...) people certainly did get drunk and misbehave, but it was not the avowed intention to get as drunk as possible as quickly as possible that exists now - nor the rampant anti-social behaviour that carries on as a result. The occasional traffic cone on the head does not equate with punching complete strangers and vomiting in the street before collapsing and being taken to A & E to assault some poor medic.
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