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Did God create the wonders of nature for our benefit? If not for whom? It is well known fact that the colour of flowers is to attract bees and insects that use the pollen. Some deep sea fish and creatures were never intended for us to see at all.
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Some here have said that God had made the universe and everything in it just for us, and others have mentioned disease, as Tom has done. Well apparently, cancer and all the other nasty things on this planet were made to test us, because if we didn‘t have the bad, we wouldn‘t appreciate the good, so it was all done by a loving God for our benefit. How kind. Aren’t we lucky?
You mention deep sea fish, rov, but according to some, God made the stars and the planets especially to enable us to differentiate between the seasons, but since, even with our most powerful telescopes, much of it still eludes us, I have to wonder why he bothered to make so much.
What a load of claptrap.
You mention deep sea fish, rov, but according to some, God made the stars and the planets especially to enable us to differentiate between the seasons, but since, even with our most powerful telescopes, much of it still eludes us, I have to wonder why he bothered to make so much.
What a load of claptrap.
It is really simple.
God designed us with free will but also engineered built in vulnerabilities to a number of other replicators He had created. These infectious genetic manifestations were specially designed to target the weaknesses.
So long s as we freely chose to do exactly as God tells us we will have a wonderful life, Otherwise we automatically disabled by this culling mechanism. (This is a good idea when creating any form of life in case ot trouble).
Certain individuals are able to find out what it is that God really wants of us and is authorised by God to take any action necessary to implement the will of God as they alone understand. This includes killing every man woman and child already living in and which just became our God given right.
However God has arranged it so some good people are inflicted by disease. It is apparently because of transgression by their ancestors which must be paid for by the descendents. Or original ancestors Adam and Eve ate an apple God said not to touch and that is way we are all bad and die. (The woman convinced the man to eat it and so everything is her fault). The Isrealites let God down by not fully completeing the massacres as instructed.
When we die we go to a place where only the elite good people are allowed. One day God kill all the bad people on earth and retuen us with after fixing everything that is wrong. We will never die again because we would be perfect and automatically choose to obey His every wish. This is going to happen really soon.
God designed us with free will but also engineered built in vulnerabilities to a number of other replicators He had created. These infectious genetic manifestations were specially designed to target the weaknesses.
So long s as we freely chose to do exactly as God tells us we will have a wonderful life, Otherwise we automatically disabled by this culling mechanism. (This is a good idea when creating any form of life in case ot trouble).
Certain individuals are able to find out what it is that God really wants of us and is authorised by God to take any action necessary to implement the will of God as they alone understand. This includes killing every man woman and child already living in and which just became our God given right.
However God has arranged it so some good people are inflicted by disease. It is apparently because of transgression by their ancestors which must be paid for by the descendents. Or original ancestors Adam and Eve ate an apple God said not to touch and that is way we are all bad and die. (The woman convinced the man to eat it and so everything is her fault). The Isrealites let God down by not fully completeing the massacres as instructed.
When we die we go to a place where only the elite good people are allowed. One day God kill all the bad people on earth and retuen us with after fixing everything that is wrong. We will never die again because we would be perfect and automatically choose to obey His every wish. This is going to happen really soon.
Everyone has their own view on this so my tuppence is just a personal one. As we will probably never know it can only be conjecture.
What we do no is that every living thing is made from sequences of DNA. Within the DNA are instructions similar to a computer code that not only arrange the sequences to make genes but also coding to produce proteins the physical matter. Although evolutionists say the amino acids were present before life existed it would take a superior mind to assemble the coding and could not happen by accident. The designer call it God produced a variety of species to live on land, at sea or in the air.
My theory is that this God dabbled with all possible sequences to provide the wide variety of species we have. The human design was the most advanced species but whos to say a far superior species is on the drawing board waiting to appear?
What we do no is that every living thing is made from sequences of DNA. Within the DNA are instructions similar to a computer code that not only arrange the sequences to make genes but also coding to produce proteins the physical matter. Although evolutionists say the amino acids were present before life existed it would take a superior mind to assemble the coding and could not happen by accident. The designer call it God produced a variety of species to live on land, at sea or in the air.
My theory is that this God dabbled with all possible sequences to provide the wide variety of species we have. The human design was the most advanced species but whos to say a far superior species is on the drawing board waiting to appear?
'In the natural order of things, when one spcies dies out, another rises to take its place', (David Attenborough), and if the Dinosaurs hadn't died out, the conjecture is that they would have evolved much as we did.
So one wonders, if we don't destroy the world first, which species has God put in line to succeed us?.
So one wonders, if we don't destroy the world first, which species has God put in line to succeed us?.
The chemistry of life is incredibly simple at its core. Two pairs of amino acids combine in an incredible number of shapes. The rest of it is a consequence of this simle code. These molecules form templates to make trillions of different proteins. The ones that combined and work the best kept replicating and here we are.
Life is nothing but advanced crystallography.
Life is nothing but advanced crystallography.
rov.....not so....in my opinion. 60 million years ago.......no sign of man.
60 billion years ago.....first life form....RNA, DNA lysozome.
Man has already manufactured RNA and DNA in the last 20yrs and a living cell will be produced by the end of this year....so one COULD say that scientists have done in 2 decades what took GOD billions of years.
As far as creatures, fish, ect being made by GOD right from the outset, Darwin might have something to say on that very topic.
One only has to work in a Children's Hospital for a shirt period of time and see the suffering, them one might question that they are suffering for the sins of their fathers........in my opinion.
60 billion years ago.....first life form....RNA, DNA lysozome.
Man has already manufactured RNA and DNA in the last 20yrs and a living cell will be produced by the end of this year....so one COULD say that scientists have done in 2 decades what took GOD billions of years.
As far as creatures, fish, ect being made by GOD right from the outset, Darwin might have something to say on that very topic.
One only has to work in a Children's Hospital for a shirt period of time and see the suffering, them one might question that they are suffering for the sins of their fathers........in my opinion.
Hi naomi, thats the problem with just writing replies, dry humour just doesn't come accross.
No I don't believe there's a God at all, and as for who or what created everything, I don't know, I just choose not to believe, at least, not in the God of Abraham.
When I write, as I did in that reply, I was being facetious.
No I don't believe there's a God at all, and as for who or what created everything, I don't know, I just choose not to believe, at least, not in the God of Abraham.
When I write, as I did in that reply, I was being facetious.
As an analogy when a cook makes a dish he may first use a recipe with the ingredients available.
In man the ingredients are the amino acids and the recipe comes from the genetic code and formed into sentences. It has been proved that any spoken language has the same structure of DNA and obeys the same rules.
It is impossible to make the dish without a cook.
In man the ingredients are the amino acids and the recipe comes from the genetic code and formed into sentences. It has been proved that any spoken language has the same structure of DNA and obeys the same rules.
It is impossible to make the dish without a cook.
An explanation about languages in previous answer:
Zipf's law states that given some corpus of natural language utterances, the frequency of any word is inversely proportional to its rank in the frequency table. Thus the most frequent word will occur approximately twice as often as the second most frequent word, which occurs twice as often as the fourth most frequent word, etc. For example, in the Brown Corpus "the" is the most frequently occurring word, and by itself accounts for nearly 7% of all word occurrences (69,971 out of slightly over 1 million). True to Zipf's Law, the second-place word "of" accounts for slightly over 3.5% of words (36,411 occurrences), followed by "and" (28,852). Only 135 vocabulary items are needed to account for half the Brown Corpus.
The same relationship occurs in many other rankings, unrelated to language, such as the population ranks of cities in various countries, corporation sizes, income rankings, etc.
Zipf's law states that given some corpus of natural language utterances, the frequency of any word is inversely proportional to its rank in the frequency table. Thus the most frequent word will occur approximately twice as often as the second most frequent word, which occurs twice as often as the fourth most frequent word, etc. For example, in the Brown Corpus "the" is the most frequently occurring word, and by itself accounts for nearly 7% of all word occurrences (69,971 out of slightly over 1 million). True to Zipf's Law, the second-place word "of" accounts for slightly over 3.5% of words (36,411 occurrences), followed by "and" (28,852). Only 135 vocabulary items are needed to account for half the Brown Corpus.
The same relationship occurs in many other rankings, unrelated to language, such as the population ranks of cities in various countries, corporation sizes, income rankings, etc.
But rojash, surely God would have had any ingredients he needed? He's God.
The God of the Bible/Koran is just a handy hook for the religious to hang their hats on. They don't know how it happened so it must be God. Another mind-boggling question solved, so no need to think about that one any more.
Sorry, Lonnie. I missed that - and I did wonder - hence the question. :o)
The God of the Bible/Koran is just a handy hook for the religious to hang their hats on. They don't know how it happened so it must be God. Another mind-boggling question solved, so no need to think about that one any more.
Sorry, Lonnie. I missed that - and I did wonder - hence the question. :o)
You know Rov, my life was simple before I came onto Answerbank! I'm starting to feel 'freedom' when I don't log on? Your question, to me, encompasses three different subjects - all essay type. The first one relates to God and religion and I suppose whatever religious belief a person holds, the answers lie within that doctrine? The flowers statement relates to sexual selection in nature. For example bees are attracted to the most colourful flowers. So if all flowers are white and then over time one starts to develop a pink tint - the bee will pollinate that one and over thousands of years the white one will die out and the flowers will continue to compete by developing darker shades. Evident in animals as well - Peacocks tails to attract females and Birds of Paradise etc. That, in my opinion has nothing to do with humans, it's just the way nature works.
The third statement, I don't know what you're saying? It's only because Man is curious and explores the Planet that we have discovered as much as we have. New species are being discovered all the time and when Man is able to go further into the ground or sea - other new species will be discovered. As a human, man is restricted but constantly techonology is developing to allow us to be pushed further beyond our capabilities as we are.
But to continue...
The third statement, I don't know what you're saying? It's only because Man is curious and explores the Planet that we have discovered as much as we have. New species are being discovered all the time and when Man is able to go further into the ground or sea - other new species will be discovered. As a human, man is restricted but constantly techonology is developing to allow us to be pushed further beyond our capabilities as we are.
But to continue...
My opinion is that nature since it has existed before Man inhabited this Planet (we are really late inhabitants) how can nature benefit us? And likewise if we were made extinct, nature would continue, it would not die down. That's evident through the Ice Age etc. I think that everything simply exists because the Big Bang was a 'fluk', whether comet or whatever. I mean that life in whatever form exists on this Planet and not others in this galaxy are due to a number of factors being present that came together e.g - We are at the perfect distance from the Sun for life to be sustained, the Sun is at a good temperature for life to develop on most of the Planet, the atmospheric content, the presence and effect of the Moon, which I think happens to be the biggest moon in the galaxy - but unsure?, the presence of ozone layer to protect against harmful rays, the stronger ones from the Sun etc
Plankton which is microscopic absorbs the most carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and deposits it in the seabed, this helps retain our atmospheric balance which is now under threat. What I'm saying is that Man's relationship with nature is delicate. It is one of domination, since Man arrived. At times, nature wins as in natural disasters - volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunami's etc - but even that over time may well be conquered? And at other times, we are dominant as for example- Man's manipulation and control of nature - loads of examples - farm breeding, DNA manipulation (we are playing God?) deforestation - resulting in the extinction of natural species, hybrid animals and trees, even bees wax - how many uses has that from what's in your fridge to medicine etc. Even the diseases mentioned, fight for dominance. Sometimes they kill their hosts other times, humans develop immunity. Man does what benefits him, life in whatever form from bacteria to humans, fights to exist at the same time and that relationship with nature is one of a delicate ecological balance?
Plankton which is microscopic absorbs the most carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and deposits it in the seabed, this helps retain our atmospheric balance which is now under threat. What I'm saying is that Man's relationship with nature is delicate. It is one of domination, since Man arrived. At times, nature wins as in natural disasters - volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunami's etc - but even that over time may well be conquered? And at other times, we are dominant as for example- Man's manipulation and control of nature - loads of examples - farm breeding, DNA manipulation (we are playing God?) deforestation - resulting in the extinction of natural species, hybrid animals and trees, even bees wax - how many uses has that from what's in your fridge to medicine etc. Even the diseases mentioned, fight for dominance. Sometimes they kill their hosts other times, humans develop immunity. Man does what benefits him, life in whatever form from bacteria to humans, fights to exist at the same time and that relationship with nature is one of a delicate ecological balance?
rov.....Zipf's Law....I had never heard of it, read it over and over again, but couldn't understand the relevance........this is not a criticism of you, but a criticism of my intellect.
The chef analogy:
The desert, hot and arid, a bird's egg drops onto a hot boulder and within 5mins you have fried egg.....no chef.
A pig sty is accidentally set ablaze.......within minutes one has roast pork.......no chef.
The above two examples are the result of accidents.........in my opinion, the way the Universe was created.
The chef analogy:
The desert, hot and arid, a bird's egg drops onto a hot boulder and within 5mins you have fried egg.....no chef.
A pig sty is accidentally set ablaze.......within minutes one has roast pork.......no chef.
The above two examples are the result of accidents.........in my opinion, the way the Universe was created.
The chance of an individual winning the lottery are small but someone does win. Low probablilty does not mean it can't happen. Besides the more I learn of life the more plausible it becomes.
We live in a universe where there are more stars than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the Earth. The Universe has been around for over 13 billion years. If during that time there had been lottery draws every day in each solar system across the Universe I have no doubt that somewhere someone would have won it a lot more than every day for a week.
Importantly the lottery winners are the only ones who get to observe the draw. Even if in the unlikely event we have the only life in the Universe we could have arisen anywhere that had suitable conditions and we would have been there to observe it too.
The more we learn about the progression of life forms from simple beginnings the more plausible it becomes. Lastest thinking is all animals are descended from sponge larvae.
We live in a universe where there are more stars than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the Earth. The Universe has been around for over 13 billion years. If during that time there had been lottery draws every day in each solar system across the Universe I have no doubt that somewhere someone would have won it a lot more than every day for a week.
Importantly the lottery winners are the only ones who get to observe the draw. Even if in the unlikely event we have the only life in the Universe we could have arisen anywhere that had suitable conditions and we would have been there to observe it too.
The more we learn about the progression of life forms from simple beginnings the more plausible it becomes. Lastest thinking is all animals are descended from sponge larvae.
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