Listener Crossword 4142: Noye by Samuel

[Zabadak]

Is 12 across blessed with the correct clue? I've seen the same clue (31 across in this case) leading to a different answer on occasions, but I can only work out one single word answer which doesn't relate to the clue given in the online version.
Otherwise, plenty of time left for doing other things this weekend, and probably my quickest finish for a long time. An enjoyable romp, so thanks to Samuel.

[starwalker]

Zabadak, I've only just got started but 12 A is fine for me. And yes, once the suffering and change is discovered, everything speeds up.

[Zabadak]

Oops - apologies to editor and Samuel. 12 across works fine

[dr b]

Agreed, the nature of the suffering is readily discerned leading to a very quick solve. I may have to get some work done this afternoon!

[aldanna]

Goodness, I am almost in the Friday club! Well, two clues still to go and the dreaded end-game, but still. The p d'd very quickly as to what to do, as drb says. Yes, I wondered about the two identical clues for a while (is it a misprint?) but all came clear. It's 13ac that is flummoxing me, so continue tomorrow, I think.

[AHearer]

All the entries in straight lines, not having to cold-solve everything before starting to fill the grid, half done on the train without access to a dictionary, not having to rub out 2/3 of what's filled in to produce the form to submit..... I had to pinch myself (as, indeed, I had to over 12 across). Good fun, though.

[Alekhine]

Bit of strange one. I started quite well and thought I had a chance of making my Friday Club debut, but tiredness sets in so I think I'll leave it until tomorrow.

[abns]

Made it just. Started quickly but top right hand corner stymied me for a while as did shaded warning. Good fun though...

[TheBear69]

I agree this was a fairly easy one (except the wordplay for 43a took me a lonnnnng time to figure out). I don't quite understand how the 'single explaining word' is 'explaining' - except perhaps as it relates to the title. Seems like the 2-word warning is more 'explaining' with respect to the suffering of the across answers and down clues.

[teuchter2]

Filled in about half grid last night, then thought I would leave some for today. Only logged on to see if the 12a/31a repeat is fine, but it seems so according to the Friday club members. Found it quite easy to work out the changes.

[silversolver]

Yes, enjoyable but not too taxing. TheBear69 - I also struggled with the wordplay for 43 across for a while but a nice "doh" moment once it dawned. I enjoyed the 12a/31a clueing although also wondered initially if it was a misprint.

[Ruthrobin]

What a pleasure, after the spate of difficult ones, including Sabre's fearsome one, to have such a fine, straightforward grid fill and theme running through the entire compilation. Knowing how careful the editors are, that double clue had to be a touch of Samuel subtlety.

[cluelessJoe]

Yes, nice puzzle and the double clue was an extra treat - such a shame though that it came hot on the heels of MASH's brilliant use of one clue to two words in last month's Magpie, or my jaw would have dropped. Thank you Samuel.

[Ruthrobin]

All the same, it was a lovely touch and undoubtedly submitted to the Listener long before we had Mash's a month ago - that's just the bad luck for compilers isn't it - like submitting one that has taken months then seeing the same theme appear days later.

I don't think it diminishes the magic of that double clue much.

[Rogue-Elfe]

Hi All.
I'm puzzled by 12a (especially knowing, as I do now, we have been given a doubled clue) and also by 22d - no words are viable in my copy of BRB - and 42a. Also, I have failed in realising how clue 43's wordplay works - however, I realise my answer is fine. I can see a 'word' which includes barred-off cells, which I may shade in anyway regardless of one small issue (I see a link, of course); however nine more cells require shading?? Help! Perhaps I'll feel more able when I've poured myself a nice cuppa. In any case, Samuel, a wonderful enigma for us!
Merci beaucoup!

[Rogue-Elfe]

PS - CluelessJoe - you are also a Magpie subscriber? Wow! Should've known I was unlikely in being alone. Have you had a puzzle published or are you a solver only?

[cluelessJoe]

.. no it doesn't, it's just really rotten luck for Samuel - I was just reflecting on the fact that it would have had more impact for me had I not just seen it done.

And apologies, I'm forgetting my manners - thanks to all who were kind enough to encourage me back here, and belated good wishes to Mrs. Z.

[cluelessJoe]

Hi Rogue-Elfe, it looks like your couple of messages slipped in before my earlier '...' response which was intended to follow Ruthrobin's.
In response to yours, you are not alone, and I think you'll find that Ruthrobin and Midazolam (at least) also subscribe - in fact M has been blowing the Magpie trumpet for some time, and that's what prompted me to subscribe.
And yes, I have had a puzzle published in the past, though it's even harder work than solving so not to be recommended for the faint-hearted :(

[Rogue-Elfe]

Aha! Found all remaining answers now - and I agree: 12a and 31d as a pair are amazingly clever.
Now I only require knowledge of which squares need shading, and I'm done!

[Rogue-Elfe]

I know what you mean, CluelessJoe. I found Mark and Simon were helpful in modifying clues in my premier offering 'Always' (receiving a '?' grade) which may have been lacking in coherence in some places; however maybe I had help because I was a new face on the scene - and such aid would only be given once! Which was yours - your pen-name, and issue? (I have one more reason for asking, being fully genuine - I am missing a couple of magazines before Magpie was put online - I believe several issues ended up in my old address's mailbox - I wonder if anyone may be willing enough in scanning and e-mailing any 'gaps' over please? If so, I'd be very happy indeed, since I am fairly OCD-ish where gaps are concerned. (Hey - gap: Magpie, check Bradford's!)). 'Merci' once again.

[Rogue-Elfe]

Darn! I used 'put'. Oh well, might as well speak normally again now!