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23a Truly 'thankless child', last character to move to centre scale? (5).
We have the answer, but can anyone explain the reasoning. Please see postings on www.crosswordsolver.org/forum.
We have the answer, but can anyone explain the reasoning. Please see postings on www.crosswordsolver.org/forum.
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Sorry, Calibax.
The instruction for this clue is, "the definition part leads to the answer to be entered and the (cryptic) remainder leads to an anagram of that answer".
The answer to be entered into the grid is clearly 'range' (definition:scale), which is an anagram of Regan ('thankless child' in King Lear). But why 'truly', and why 'last character to move to centre' when it is an anagram?
I would hate to think the setter has been sloppy, and I cannot bear not to understand the wordplay, especially if the obvious is staring me in the face!
The instruction for this clue is, "the definition part leads to the answer to be entered and the (cryptic) remainder leads to an anagram of that answer".
The answer to be entered into the grid is clearly 'range' (definition:scale), which is an anagram of Regan ('thankless child' in King Lear). But why 'truly', and why 'last character to move to centre' when it is an anagram?
I would hate to think the setter has been sloppy, and I cannot bear not to understand the wordplay, especially if the obvious is staring me in the face!
Surely Lear calls Goneril the "thankless child" http://
At present don't know if the centre reference is from the play or maybe to do with Regan being the middle child...
At present don't know if the centre reference is from the play or maybe to do with Regan being the middle child...
Shikasta et al: it DOES make sense when one accepts the rules in the pre-amble.
Regan (mistaken by the setter as the truly (= 'so-called' in Chambers) 'thankless child') is an anagram of range (= scale, definition).
The answer to be entered into the grid only needs to be a word which is an anagram of regan/range which appears as a word in Chambers.
Regan (mistaken by the setter as the truly (= 'so-called' in Chambers) 'thankless child') is an anagram of range (= scale, definition).
The answer to be entered into the grid only needs to be a word which is an anagram of regan/range which appears as a word in Chambers.
Forget my last post - it is rubbish.
As I said originally, in the down clues, the definition part leads to the answer, and the (cryptic) remainder leads to an anagram of that answer.
So answer is 'range', as we know, from 'scale'/definition in clue.
So has setter not only got the wrong daughter, but is spelling her name Ragen? And why should we need the instruction to move the last character to the centre when it is an anagram anyway?
As I said originally, in the down clues, the definition part leads to the answer, and the (cryptic) remainder leads to an anagram of that answer.
So answer is 'range', as we know, from 'scale'/definition in clue.
So has setter not only got the wrong daughter, but is spelling her name Ragen? And why should we need the instruction to move the last character to the centre when it is an anagram anyway?
Crockshard, you're right that RENGA fits the preamble:
definition = scale = RANGE = grid entry.
Wordplay gives Regan with last to centre = RENGA - anagram of grid entry & verifiable in Chambers. My guess is that it is a bit convoluted since Regan isn't in Chambers but Renga is & the compiler wanted to ensure that he narrowed it down to 1 specific anagram of Range.
definition = scale = RANGE = grid entry.
Wordplay gives Regan with last to centre = RENGA - anagram of grid entry & verifiable in Chambers. My guess is that it is a bit convoluted since Regan isn't in Chambers but Renga is & the compiler wanted to ensure that he narrowed it down to 1 specific anagram of Range.
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