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Has no one started a thread? Is it because people are a little bit disappointed with this one? Perhaps there is some clever twist that I haven't seen.
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I think this puzzle has attracted some overly harsh remarks. I think it's well constructed and well-clued although I agree that Wasp missed a trick here. I enjoyed the PDM of working my way to the theme phrase although of course by then it only explained what I had already cottoned on to. I would have thought it possible for Wasp to appended some other instruction that we would have needed to demonstrate our grasp of the theme in order to solve. I went down a little bell-ringing side alley for a while before I tumbled.
I still don't get the title though. I presume that it is the remnant of a word or phrase that has been modified in the same way as the across entries but, if so, I can't spot it yet.
I still don't get the title though. I presume that it is the remnant of a word or phrase that has been modified in the same way as the across entries but, if so, I can't spot it yet.
I'm new to this site and was interested to see the comments. Sunday morning is spent starting on the Listener crossword and this was a Sunday morning one. I agree that you don't have to get the thematic groups but at least one answer is confirmed by a group. I thought the clueing was good and I enjoyed solving the clues, which I generally do, and it was nice not to run into the buffers at the end and spend a week trying to find the final solution which can be irritating and frustrating.
Captain Slow here, dragged over the line.
I don't mind admitting I found this harder than the earlier comments, and some of the high fliers, seem to suggest. Comforting to see other 'A' listers such as 'Clamzy' and 'Cruncher' voice that here. Some of these clues were tough albeit there were some simple 'entry' clues. It all tied up nicely and whilst not the wow factor of last weeks or 'earth' it was a challenge. Harder than say the 63 Green Lane one. It might not have had a 'finale' PDM action but I think it mainly just suffered from following last weeks. as pointed out by some.
Hi Contendo if your still following the thread - I think the ambiguity you referred to is legitimate, and fair play misdirection is all part of the game whether intended (as was probably the case here) or not ? It is possible to determine the correct solution with what we were given. I think ambiguity is less fun when it forms part of a final instruction that may not have a definitive cross-check.
All part of the learning - for me anyway.
I don't mind admitting I found this harder than the earlier comments, and some of the high fliers, seem to suggest. Comforting to see other 'A' listers such as 'Clamzy' and 'Cruncher' voice that here. Some of these clues were tough albeit there were some simple 'entry' clues. It all tied up nicely and whilst not the wow factor of last weeks or 'earth' it was a challenge. Harder than say the 63 Green Lane one. It might not have had a 'finale' PDM action but I think it mainly just suffered from following last weeks. as pointed out by some.
Hi Contendo if your still following the thread - I think the ambiguity you referred to is legitimate, and fair play misdirection is all part of the game whether intended (as was probably the case here) or not ? It is possible to determine the correct solution with what we were given. I think ambiguity is less fun when it forms part of a final instruction that may not have a definitive cross-check.
All part of the learning - for me anyway.
I found this significantly more difficult than last week's (mind you, I've been slowed down by 'man flu'). My order of completion was to (a) deduce the method of entering across lights, (b) identify the phrase describing that method of entry, (c) identify the eight undefined lights, (d) identify the synonymous phrase, (e) check the synonymous phrase by grouping appropriately the eight from (c), and (f) experience a satori-like flash of insight for the title. I agree that some confirmation that the whole picture has been understood should be required.
I enjoyed it, even though it isn't a second 'Russian Revolution'.
I enjoyed it, even though it isn't a second 'Russian Revolution'.
Hello clever solvers. I don't get started till Tuesday for one reason or another and usually get stuck toward the end-just as I have now. I have virtually completed the grid apart from 4 down and 29 down though I think 24 down feels a bit of a wild guess too. 27 across eludes me and I think I have only 6 undefined downs whose connection and possible groupings seem utterly impenetrable. Have I missed something? Will the mysterious (4,3,4) reveal itself? Is a nudge in the right direction too much to ask for? Any words of encouragement will be picked up in the morning. Thank you and goodnight
Sorry Clamzy about last week's silence.I did finish the grid fill and discovered the mystery object (I think, when the letters were lined up - but it was a funny spelling) but ran out of energy before I found the quotation I hope you didn't take my silence for bad manners. I will give it another day before I email you in desperation. I feel pretty close though by all accounts it may be a disappointing denouement
Started this Wednesday after all the fun of the EV. What a slog it is! I'm nowhere near a complete grid. MULLINGAR. 34 Ac Rethink the word "three" & work an anagram. (I hope that's not too much for the purists). I don't know why I'm giving advice when I'm lagging so badly myself. I can only think of a disastrous connection with the title and I can see at least 2 examples of what might experience a SPAD in my solutions. I think I have 3 of the unclued words (Jewellery, a card game and something the men in white coats are going to have to do to me if I don't put down this crossword) I can see 2 "ready" examples. No idea of these thematic phrases, so no idea of how to enter across solutions. Only pure bloody-mindedness keeping me going. I hope the Spectator's a good one.
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