Is Covid19 Bs In Real Terms? Media Driven?

[flobadob]

Much much less than 3 days worth of people worldwide (150,000 a day) have died from Covid 19 this year (5 months), and some died last year when it also existed and not reported so don't count.

A great majority (70% or more) were over 80 AND sick. But are the media driving this virus to sell ads and papers etc. rather than it being serious?

53% of people died in nursing homes and most of the rest were people who died had bad illness such as cancer.

When the number of general deaths are released will they show a significant increase in deaths this year compared to other years? Or will it show little difference when encompassing deaths that would most likely have occurred anyway?

[Purist]

Well I am still recovering from this virus and I have had flu in the past, I can honestly say I have never been so ill in my life, I am normally a very active person who recovers well from bugs and the like but this virus has been with me for weeks (its not all over in 14 days for everyone), I was bedridden for 4 weeks, I am at the stage now where I can go for a shower and make myself breakfast but I have to rest, I am not able to drive yet or walk a distance or even do chores. I still suffer breathlessness, dizziness and no energy. Also my friend who was fit and well died from this a few months ago. I think people don't take this seriously until it affects them or someone they know.

[Neveracrossword]

I saw articles earlier this month showing that there were over 35,000 more deaths in the first five months of the year - that was comparing it against the averages of the previous five years. These 'excess deaths' won't all be down to the virus, of course - but many will.

[campbellking]

Is it serious? I have worked in Critical Care for over 20 years and have never seen anything like it,a unit overfilled and spilling out into our Theatre recovery , and all with patients presenting with the same catastrophic symptoms. These were not elderly patients ( patients are frailty scored so those with pre-existing conditions or high care needs are not even considered for ventilation) but patients in their fifties or early sixties. Few of these survived, an epidemiologist speaking on the radio yesterday said of patients in hospital with a COVID + diagnosis 1 in 3 would die. There is still no definitive treatment, limited testing of NHS staff ( on every shift I've done over the last 2 months I have treated positive patients but have always been asymptomatic so have never had a test). We have a long way to go before we get a proper grip on this.

[fiction-factory]

>When the number of general deaths are released will they show a significant increase in deaths this year compared to other years? Or will it show little difference when encompassing deaths that would most likely have occurred anyway?

We already know that excess mortality has increased significantly across the world. In the peak weeks the number of deaths doubled in UK and some other countries. In the UK at the peak the excess mortality was around 13000 extra deaths in a week- and that was despite shielding and the start of lockdown.
But as lockdowns etc have helped stem the tide the figure is now 33% in the latest week's data for the UK.
Some data here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/may/29/excess-deaths-uk-has-one-highest-levels-europe

[woofgang]

In other words, in real terms its real. The numbers of general deaths are released now and yes deaths by road accident and other causes have gone down....but the total deaths by month is way up what it would be in a normal year, even in the colder months when more people die and this is both globally, as far as we can see, and definitely nationally....do you not read the research?

[KARL]

There are some indications that, where the health service was either overwhelmed/overloaded or simply not so good to begin with, the death rate is higher than where the system coped and was already one of the best. On that basis alone Covid 19 is very really a properly deadly illness.

[gness]

Flobadob. Think about this simply to begin with. If you wanted to increase the number of papers sold and therefore your advertising revenue would do something that stopped folk buying papers causing your sales to plummet?

[youngmafbog]

It has been over egged driven by an hysterical MSM and the pitchfork mentality.

Yes, it kills people, so does flu, so does the Trots so does Cancer so do cars but it is not in plague proportions.

Anyone quoting comparison figures at the minute is just spouting rubbish. Until we get the figures all aligned so we are comparing like with like we wont be able to do any comparisons. Too many deaths have been reported as Covid when the person died with it not of it. Then we have those who have dies because of it (Murder, suicide etc) followed by those whose lives will be shortened by poverty. All this needs to be analysed without prejudice, if possible, but I cant see any meaning ful analysis coming out within two years,

[KARL]

youngmafbog is correct, it will take years (if it is ever going to be achieved) to put down the excuses, obfuscations and mendacity spread about in an attempt to put away the evidence of failure.

[fiction-factory]

May not take years- ONS publish Excess Mortality and it's pretty up to date and shows the scale of the impact is significant/enormous, but as more spikes occur (and they will , especially in winter) and as the death rate levels out on a longer term basis between peaks, the true picture will indeed take a year or years. But it will be huge.
It's certainly wrong to say
"It has been over egged driven by an hysterical MSM and the pitchfork mentality. Yes, it kills people, so does flu, so does the Trots so does Cancer so do cars but it is not in plague proportions. "
This will affect our lives through excess deaths, pressure on health services, social distancing, closure of parts of the economy, for at least a year. I can't see football crowds/concerts/ normal pubs this year

[woofgang]

YMB...... two words......excess. deaths.

Whatever people are dying of, many many more are dying both globally and nationally than would be normal for the time of year. Yes the fine detail won't be known for some time if ever....the with or of thing is only relevant for the detail. Yes the media are having a panic fest. Neither of those two things account for the excess deaths though.

[jno]

the death rate for humans remains steady at 100%. But at any given moment you can calculate from past statistics (amended for previous population changes) how many should be dying now. Any more than that is "excess deaths", or premature deaths if you like.

Anyone fancy dying prematurely?

[jim360]

Yes, it is real.

Next question?

[tiggerblue10]

I would like to know how many excess deaths there were from November to beginning of March. And if there were many, what the cause of death was recorded on the DCert. Pneumonia maybe?

A number of people I know experienced COVID symptoms back then, high temp., nasty cough etc.

[jim360]

Data is available from the ONS to provide a partial answer to that, but in this case it depends a little on how you define "excess". Compared to the average of previous years for the season, there was almost no difference between the number of deaths in November 2019-February 2020 from what could be expected (England and Wales data only). If you compare instead to the average weekly death rate across the year then there is a modest excess, because Winter months always tend to see a higher death rate. But taking seasonal changes into account is probably more reasonable.

By comparison, between 20th March and 15th May 2020 we saw almost 55,000 more deaths than we could expect, representing a 2/3 increase.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

[flobadob]

Thank you for all the answers. They were mostly informative and sincere on the part of the poster. I like it when people give a concise answer to a question expressing their opinion, rather than writing off the question as nonsense, simply because they don't agree with it.