Star Formation.

[Theland]

How can clouds of gas in the vacuum of space coalesce to produce the enormous pressures and temperatures necessary to begin fusion?

[mibn2cweus]

Atheist,
Not my intention to make a horse drink but come judgement day they can't say, "You didn't lead it to water!"

[Mamyalynne]

Anyway Bumble Bees don't fly on their own , they have little engines - I've heard them ;-)

[Theland]

''Here be the thread about G~D, always guaranteed to arouse the passions.''

[Theland]

MIBs - It appears to me that your reasoning is somewhat circular, or, sustaining itself by its own bootstraps, or, something like that ....... no beginning.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - I am confused.

On the one hand, as a Christian, you beieve that God created the universe, and you believe that he can, and maybe did so with merely a simple wish - as is within his power.

Then on the other hand, you say you cannot dismiss what science has to say on the subject - with evidence still coming in, and scientists unsure of the origin, unlike yourself who beleives that God made it.

So why are you hedging your bets?

Surely constantly quoted belief in the bible's words confirms that God created everything - the how and when are fine print - but nonetheless, why would you entertain any other possibility?

I believe you can't have it both ways.

I don't - but clearly you do - have you any explanation for this?

[Theland]

Yes Andy.
The discoveries from science simply affirm the mechanisms God used to bring about His desired outcome.
The same with medicine. Gods hand is in the cures, and in the support from apparent failures in medicine.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - at no point does science 'confirm' that the earth was created in six days, what part of the bible's version of creation comes anywhere near anything science proposes for the origins of earth, mankind, or anything at all?

[Sunk]

Andy Hughes.
Possibly a God Day, and the modern Earth Day are totally different time periods.
Perhaps God created everything in 1 gazillion years, but told his feeble brained acolytes scribbling it down it was 1 day? ( 1 Gazillion years and 1 day, lost in translation) ?

[Theland]

Andy, yes, good points.
My personal view is not to take literally the, ''how,'' but to accept the, ''who,'' along with the, ''why.''

[jno]

there was no way of measuring how many days anything took until the sun and Earth were properly sorted out. In fact it still hasn't been, as the days have been getting shorter lately

https://phys.org/news/2021-01-earth-faster.html

[andy-hughes]

Theland - thankyou for your answers.

With regret, I must cease debating with you on this thread - ironically, for someone who always insists he is looking for answers, you actually have an answer for everything.

It serves and switches to suit the question, but it's always ready, right on cue.

Like all fervents on here, you have answers that appear to back your stance with your conviction that your God does everything - but in reality, your answers actually say nothing at all.

It's quite a feat to respond as often as you do, while saying nothing that actually means anything concrete whatsoever.

Naomi is content to bash her head against your wall of nothing day in and day out, I simply can't make myself care enough to bother.

I have ample evidence that no God exists, you spend endless hours explaining why he does, in answers that explain nothing and prove less.

Your belief appears to sustain and motivate you, I remain baffled as to how that works, but I have lost the urge to read anymore answers that continue to tell me nothing that means anything I can understand.

[jim360]

Now you see why I was trying to keep this on-topic... :P

[Sunk]

// With regret, I must cease debating with you on this thread //

If only you had come to that conclusion on page 1 and not inflicted your nonsense on us all day.
Please go away, and let everyone who wanted to read the answers, to read them and not be subjected to your ***.

[Mamyalynne]

Jim, you were up against it from early doors sadly.

[jim360]

Still, it was nice that someone understood :)

[Mamyalynne]

I think it's fair to say that if Theland asked in Food & Drink how long to bake a cake the same people would do similar.

[Theland]

Well I certainly appreciate the posts, both on and off topic.
Informative, entertaining, and, yes, challenging.
Thank you.

[Theland]

Andy @ 00:02 - I must apologise for an apparent lack of transparency and an apparent lack of substance.
Yes, I attribute everything to God, but I seem to have failed to explain that the mechanisms God uses to create and sustain His creation, are ours to discover using the tools of science, but that science has its limits, and we live in a time when it appears that science has begun to show up its limitations.
The Bible is both simple and complicated.
Simple to read, story after story, but not always simply understood.
One part of the bible will shine a light on another. One part will interpret another.
When read alongside history, and contemporary events, it becomes clearer and clearer.
Probably the most convincing argument for the truth of the bible is fulfilled prophecy, and that is something that can be checked out by anybody.
Of course, there are always cries of foul, unfulfilled prophecy, and these are hastily seized upon by bible critics, but even though some of these remain problematic, they are far outweighed by the accuracy of fulfilled prophecy, and, just as important, the contemporary harbingers of what is coming soon, reflected in world events, coming together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, where the bigger picture begins to emerge.
You describe me as a fervent, and I'm glad you did, as I am indeed passionate for God, which brings me to my final point, the fact that God is in my life, with a closeness that is real, tangible, and forever experienced, in answered prayer, comfort, and love.

[andy-hughes]

Sunk - //
// With regret, I must cease debating with you on this thread //

If only you had come to that conclusion on page 1 and not inflicted your nonsense on us all day.
Please go away, and let everyone who wanted to read the answers, to read them and not be subjected to your ***. //

Here's a novel idea, you can start today, with every post in every section -

Why don;t you completely ignore any and every post I write? That way, we'll all be spared your endless thread-derailing carping about anything I say, because you have taken a personal dislike to me?

That means threads stay on track, I and everyone else doesn't have to read your pointless whining nonsense, and you get to save energy and do something more useful with your time - such as accepting that because you don't like someone else's views doesn't mean you can grind on day in day out and be a total thread-derailing tedious bore.

Try it - I'll like it!!

[ToraToraTora]

theland is a religious fruitcake, all his questions are designed to verify that everything is the work of "god". The pattern is familiar. Ask a seemingly valid question about science then seize on the slightest absence of an explanation as proof positive that his "god" is responsible. tada! I suppose we are the mus for indulging him though I suppose there is a bit of selfishness there as I quite enjoy these sorts of scientific discussions even though they are a vehicle for the OP.