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Multiculturalism
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Isn't this just a failed social experiment that we have to endure? Only a small percentage really claim there is benefits and outside Europe and USA it isn't even considered. Why aren't Japan or Nigeria being forced to see the benefits of living in harmony with people of all races and creeds? Anyone who speaks out about it is labelled racially intolerant. If it was such a success why do we have Asian areas, Jewish areas and China Town? Other races aren't interested in this, so why should the Europeans who have it forced on them be? I am confuse.
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This has been a disaster for the UK and has ruined what was a wonderful country to live in.
Today on the news I see a "Free School" has opened in Birmingham for Sikhs only, where learning Punjabi is compulsary. How much will that do for integration.
And why is this Russian "Asylum Seeker" living here on benefits and in a council house when he has contributed nothing to this country.
I have paid taxes all my life and never claimed any benefits and it does p*ss me off when we pay out thousands to scroungers like this. We are so gullible.
http://www.dailymail....nival-hero-s-mum.html
Today on the news I see a "Free School" has opened in Birmingham for Sikhs only, where learning Punjabi is compulsary. How much will that do for integration.
And why is this Russian "Asylum Seeker" living here on benefits and in a council house when he has contributed nothing to this country.
I have paid taxes all my life and never claimed any benefits and it does p*ss me off when we pay out thousands to scroungers like this. We are so gullible.
http://www.dailymail....nival-hero-s-mum.html
Yes, VHG, couldn’t agree more. And if that brands me a racist then so be it.
Those people who see “multiculturalism” and “diversity” as things to celebrate usually have agreeable boltholes in the Cotswolds to which they can and do frequently retreat. That leaves the rest of us to live among the difficulties that mass immigration has presented to the major towns and cities.
Of course there is a direct link between immigration and the growth of welfare payments. Not only are payments made to incomers who, as you say, have contributed little or nothing to this country. There are also large numbers of “English” (for want of a better term) who now “will not do” the jobs that immigrants will because it is more acceptable to them to sit at home all day whilst they and their broods are supported by the taxpayer.
Multiculturalism cannot successfully exist. Nations need a single culture and set of values to bind their populations together. Whilst many immigrants try to assimilate into the UK after arrival, huge numbers of them have no intention of doing so. Instead they throng together in their own communities, practicing their own culture in their own language – continuing, in fact, exactly as they would have done had they remained in their country of origin. Instead of being castigated for this damaging practice they have been actively encouraged to do so by the liberal chatterati (usually over comfortable dinner parties in Chipping Norton).
The effect on education is scandalous. I heard on the radio today of a group of primary school children about to start their schooling this week where no less than 22 tongues are spoken as a first language. How on earth can they be successfully taught? Ask the “English” children in that class in 15 years time how they fared with their primary education.
So on come the critics of my viewpoint saying that “vital services” could not be maintained without the immigrant population. Very true. But it wasn’t always so. The country managed perfectly well before mass immigration took place. Only when welfare payments became so attractive that people could afford “not to do” some of the less agreeable jobs was it necessary to ship in vast hoards of foreign labour (a practice that is still going on despite up to 5 million people being unemployed). Yes, I know, unscrupulous bosses take advantage of them and use them to drive down labour costs. But if they were not here they could not do so.
So, multiculturalism a success and vital for the UK? Don’t make me laugh. It has been an absolute disaster the full effects of which will not be felt for some years yet. And as mungbeanz says, if it is so beneficial nations outside Europe would be on to it like a shot. And most of them are not.
Those people who see “multiculturalism” and “diversity” as things to celebrate usually have agreeable boltholes in the Cotswolds to which they can and do frequently retreat. That leaves the rest of us to live among the difficulties that mass immigration has presented to the major towns and cities.
Of course there is a direct link between immigration and the growth of welfare payments. Not only are payments made to incomers who, as you say, have contributed little or nothing to this country. There are also large numbers of “English” (for want of a better term) who now “will not do” the jobs that immigrants will because it is more acceptable to them to sit at home all day whilst they and their broods are supported by the taxpayer.
Multiculturalism cannot successfully exist. Nations need a single culture and set of values to bind their populations together. Whilst many immigrants try to assimilate into the UK after arrival, huge numbers of them have no intention of doing so. Instead they throng together in their own communities, practicing their own culture in their own language – continuing, in fact, exactly as they would have done had they remained in their country of origin. Instead of being castigated for this damaging practice they have been actively encouraged to do so by the liberal chatterati (usually over comfortable dinner parties in Chipping Norton).
The effect on education is scandalous. I heard on the radio today of a group of primary school children about to start their schooling this week where no less than 22 tongues are spoken as a first language. How on earth can they be successfully taught? Ask the “English” children in that class in 15 years time how they fared with their primary education.
So on come the critics of my viewpoint saying that “vital services” could not be maintained without the immigrant population. Very true. But it wasn’t always so. The country managed perfectly well before mass immigration took place. Only when welfare payments became so attractive that people could afford “not to do” some of the less agreeable jobs was it necessary to ship in vast hoards of foreign labour (a practice that is still going on despite up to 5 million people being unemployed). Yes, I know, unscrupulous bosses take advantage of them and use them to drive down labour costs. But if they were not here they could not do so.
So, multiculturalism a success and vital for the UK? Don’t make me laugh. It has been an absolute disaster the full effects of which will not be felt for some years yet. And as mungbeanz says, if it is so beneficial nations outside Europe would be on to it like a shot. And most of them are not.
Multi-culturalism - "benefits of living in harmony with people of all races and creeds"
"Anyone who speaks out about it is labelled racially intolerant."
So you mean anybody who doesn't want to live in harmony with people of other races or creeds is being labelled as racially intolerant?
Kind of by definition isn't it?
So are you complaining that you're being made to live with foreigners or that they are living apart in China Town and Jewish areas?
According to the Japanese immigration centre,[9] the number of foreign residents in Japan has steadily increased, and the number of foreign residents (excluding illegal immigrants and short-term visitors such as foreign nationals staying less than 90 days in Japan[10]) were more than 2.2 million people in 2008.[9]
Your post seems a touch confused
"Anyone who speaks out about it is labelled racially intolerant."
So you mean anybody who doesn't want to live in harmony with people of other races or creeds is being labelled as racially intolerant?
Kind of by definition isn't it?
So are you complaining that you're being made to live with foreigners or that they are living apart in China Town and Jewish areas?
According to the Japanese immigration centre,[9] the number of foreign residents in Japan has steadily increased, and the number of foreign residents (excluding illegal immigrants and short-term visitors such as foreign nationals staying less than 90 days in Japan[10]) were more than 2.2 million people in 2008.[9]
Your post seems a touch confused
New Judge - in that class of 22 nationalities - are you expecting the teacher to communicate in all languages or just one, English? If a child has trouble understanding, would that not be something that may arise in any other school. In this class the children may have the opportunity to learn first hand of other cultures and maybe even languages which would, surely, only strengthen their knowledge base for the future!
Your argument regarding Japan is hardly valid. 2.2 million (10% of whom are originally of Japanese decent) immigrants in a population of 127 million is extremely low. Have you been getting your information from wikipedia?
Whether self loathing white people like it or not, most immigrants do not come to Europe to integrate into or to enrich the European way of life. They do it for financial reasons. Most choose to stay in their own communities and are not interested in mixing with the citizens of their host country. Many third-world immigrants are far more racially and patriotically intolerant than the Europeans.
Seeing the identity of ones country disappear is not good as the apologetic liberals believe. What is wrong witH Britain having a British identity rather than the identity of 100 countries?
Whether self loathing white people like it or not, most immigrants do not come to Europe to integrate into or to enrich the European way of life. They do it for financial reasons. Most choose to stay in their own communities and are not interested in mixing with the citizens of their host country. Many third-world immigrants are far more racially and patriotically intolerant than the Europeans.
Seeing the identity of ones country disappear is not good as the apologetic liberals believe. What is wrong witH Britain having a British identity rather than the identity of 100 countries?
so mungbeanz, it's much like many English people who move to Spain?
As has been said many, many times before, we have always been a nation of hugely diverse ancestry. The huge number of mixed race people in the UK suggests that there have been immigrants that have gone on to intergrate quite closely with natives!
As has been said many, many times before, we have always been a nation of hugely diverse ancestry. The huge number of mixed race people in the UK suggests that there have been immigrants that have gone on to intergrate quite closely with natives!
what point am I missing? You said "Most choose to stay in their own communities and are not interested in mixing with the citizens of their host country." - many do, just as British emigrants do basically it's easier and more comfortable that way and they have more in common, that doesn't mean that intergration will never happen.
You're judging the situation within the first few years when such a change of culture has to be generational.
If you were moving to a country where you weren't fantastic at the native language and they had a large number of Brits you'd most likely choose to hang out with them, your children, however, if they went to school with locals, would be very much more inclined to intergrate. It's that simple. But if you don't want to see the positives then you won't.
You're judging the situation within the first few years when such a change of culture has to be generational.
If you were moving to a country where you weren't fantastic at the native language and they had a large number of Brits you'd most likely choose to hang out with them, your children, however, if they went to school with locals, would be very much more inclined to intergrate. It's that simple. But if you don't want to see the positives then you won't.
Yes I would expect the teacher to conduct the class in English because this is the UK where England is the principle language.
My earlier post is by no means confused, jake. As has been said, there is a world of difference between “multiculturalism” and controlled immigration undertaken for the benefit of the nation. It is interesting that you chose Japan with which to make a comparison. Permanent settlement in Japan without a job, a sponsor, some visible means of independent support or a Japanese spouse is virtually impossible. From their website:
Permanent residence: Foreign residents who have shown good conduct and have sufficient assets or ability to make an independent living, can be granted permanent residence if they reside in Japan for typically ten or more consecutive years (less in case of spouses of Japanese nationals and people who have made significant contributions to Japanese society). Permanent residence status is indefinite and allows any paid activity.
Naturalization: Foreigners, who have resided in Japan for at least five consecutive years (less if married to a Japanese national), have shown good conduct, have never plotted against the Japanese government, have sufficient assets or ability to make an independent living and are willing to renounce any other citizenship held, can be granted Japanese citizenship.
Not quite the same arrangements as we have here and little surprise that they have comparatively few immigrants.
Immigrants to other countries are not encouraged to conduct their lives as if they have never left their country of origin. Here they are. Here they are not encouraged to learn English – translations into a multitude of languages are available "free of charge" (i.e. taxpayer funded) for all official purposes. They are not encouraged to adopt a British culture (please don’t start on about yobs and binge drinkers) they are encouraged to continue with their own. State agencies bend over backwards to accommodate their requirements no matter how inconvenient this may be for the majority of the population.
The situation in the primary school would not occur if the children arriving for education were reasonably conversant in English by age five. Many of these children were born here, for heavens’ sake, and they cannot speak English by the time they attend primary school. The principle aim of primary education is to teach children to read, write and add up. This cannot possibly be achieved readily when most of the class cannot understand basic English. It is an absolute scandal that resources have to be diverted in vast quantities away from English speaking children and their education (among many other things) has been sacrificed on the altar of multiculturalism.
My earlier post is by no means confused, jake. As has been said, there is a world of difference between “multiculturalism” and controlled immigration undertaken for the benefit of the nation. It is interesting that you chose Japan with which to make a comparison. Permanent settlement in Japan without a job, a sponsor, some visible means of independent support or a Japanese spouse is virtually impossible. From their website:
Permanent residence: Foreign residents who have shown good conduct and have sufficient assets or ability to make an independent living, can be granted permanent residence if they reside in Japan for typically ten or more consecutive years (less in case of spouses of Japanese nationals and people who have made significant contributions to Japanese society). Permanent residence status is indefinite and allows any paid activity.
Naturalization: Foreigners, who have resided in Japan for at least five consecutive years (less if married to a Japanese national), have shown good conduct, have never plotted against the Japanese government, have sufficient assets or ability to make an independent living and are willing to renounce any other citizenship held, can be granted Japanese citizenship.
Not quite the same arrangements as we have here and little surprise that they have comparatively few immigrants.
Immigrants to other countries are not encouraged to conduct their lives as if they have never left their country of origin. Here they are. Here they are not encouraged to learn English – translations into a multitude of languages are available "free of charge" (i.e. taxpayer funded) for all official purposes. They are not encouraged to adopt a British culture (please don’t start on about yobs and binge drinkers) they are encouraged to continue with their own. State agencies bend over backwards to accommodate their requirements no matter how inconvenient this may be for the majority of the population.
The situation in the primary school would not occur if the children arriving for education were reasonably conversant in English by age five. Many of these children were born here, for heavens’ sake, and they cannot speak English by the time they attend primary school. The principle aim of primary education is to teach children to read, write and add up. This cannot possibly be achieved readily when most of the class cannot understand basic English. It is an absolute scandal that resources have to be diverted in vast quantities away from English speaking children and their education (among many other things) has been sacrificed on the altar of multiculturalism.
Mungbeanz, don't be confused, for the most part anyone speaking out about this subject are usually labelled Little Englanders, that's if you live in England, or not, racially intolerant, and a knuckle dragging member of the BNP, EDL. No one now or in past governments has considered the long term implication of mass immigration, and as already pointed out on another thread, it has had a massive impact on London, and Britain as a whole.
So what if we have endless restaurants selling chinese, curry, pizza, thai food, that doesn't mean to say you are friends with the owners, or socialise with Messrs Khan and Patel, it just means you like the food.
It's true many British do go and work abroad, some because they can't get jobs here, but generally, they don't sponge off the places they go to simply because they can't. We have a welfare state that looks after people who have paid nothing into the system, that includes any so called indigenous people, including schools, medical care, and housing.
So how about a bit of fairness here, why should Britain be the dumping ground for the disaffected of the world.
This could be a golden opportunity for the current coalition to stop all immigration, until the country is back on its feet, that includes no more dodgy asylum seekers, marriages of convenience, or bringing all the relatives here once ensconced.
So what if we have endless restaurants selling chinese, curry, pizza, thai food, that doesn't mean to say you are friends with the owners, or socialise with Messrs Khan and Patel, it just means you like the food.
It's true many British do go and work abroad, some because they can't get jobs here, but generally, they don't sponge off the places they go to simply because they can't. We have a welfare state that looks after people who have paid nothing into the system, that includes any so called indigenous people, including schools, medical care, and housing.
So how about a bit of fairness here, why should Britain be the dumping ground for the disaffected of the world.
This could be a golden opportunity for the current coalition to stop all immigration, until the country is back on its feet, that includes no more dodgy asylum seekers, marriages of convenience, or bringing all the relatives here once ensconced.
There is nowhere else in the world where you can dump yourself on the host country and expect and usually get housing, and benefits, and for those who have paid into the system in Britain, it is galling to see so many get what is essentially something, for nothing. Perhaps in 50 years time, when the children of today, or perhaps their children will have grown up here and integrated, but i see little evidence of that so far.
Yes, the lessons will be in English, Paul. The idea that the little ones may be multi-lingual is very promising. But many families do not speak any English at all at home and the children know no English themselves by the time they start school. Instead of discouraging such a situation successive governments have actively encouraged it to prevail.
In some classes in London they have to have up to five Classroom Assistants to help those who cannot understand the teacher. This is eating up a huge amount of the schools' budget and inevitably hinders the education of those children who are fluent in English. Nobody will convince me that this is in anybody's best interests.
For many reasons (not only this one) many children are leaving primary school unable to read, write or do simple arithmetic, but this is certainly not helping matters and it is about time the issue was properly aired instead of being swept under the carpet as taboo.
In some classes in London they have to have up to five Classroom Assistants to help those who cannot understand the teacher. This is eating up a huge amount of the schools' budget and inevitably hinders the education of those children who are fluent in English. Nobody will convince me that this is in anybody's best interests.
For many reasons (not only this one) many children are leaving primary school unable to read, write or do simple arithmetic, but this is certainly not helping matters and it is about time the issue was properly aired instead of being swept under the carpet as taboo.
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You could be right, steve.I remember the song well and saw Madeline Bell do her stuff on Top of the Pops more than once.
The writer suggested we “Take a pinch of white man/ Wrap him up in black skin/ Add a touch of blue blood/ And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy” I cannot imagine in his wildest dreams he imagined that the shambles that exists in the UK today would be the result.
Strangely one of the definitions of a “Melting Pot” that I have come across is “...a metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements "melting together" into a harmonious whole with a common culture.”
Note the mention of a “common culture”. Multiculturalism was not envisaged in 1969.
The writer suggested we “Take a pinch of white man/ Wrap him up in black skin/ Add a touch of blue blood/ And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy” I cannot imagine in his wildest dreams he imagined that the shambles that exists in the UK today would be the result.
Strangely one of the definitions of a “Melting Pot” that I have come across is “...a metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements "melting together" into a harmonious whole with a common culture.”
Note the mention of a “common culture”. Multiculturalism was not envisaged in 1969.
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