Bbc News, Integrtion Has Not Worked With Muslims

[dieseldick]

just heard it on news, they were talking about muslims integrating into germany and merkel now has a massive task on her hands to find a solution to the problem, they talked about the problems that faced france and jaques chirac banning of the burhka etc when he was in charge, german security experts are now saying that they believe isis teams are active in germany asfter coming into the country disquised as refugees , wow really !! .

for me , the fact is that muslims cant intergrate fully with western society, i mean look what they are taught in their koran , such verses here - “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.” Quran 9:123 also here - Quran 8:59-60 / Quran 2:286 / Quran 3:147 / Quran 8:12 /

“Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another…” Quran 5:51

so there you have it in black and white, how to hell can these people fit in with us, i cannot see any solution to the problem.

merkel and co have only added to the problems .

[ludwig]

I can only apologise for saying everything twice. It's a technical issue I have no control over.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, The Telegraph, The Times, CBS, reputable companies, all wildly speculating? Really?

[Old_Geezer]

If more of one group have more children than another group that is not just natural selection: it is also an impending disaster due to natural selection not caring for the individuals or the world in general, just "benefiting" in terms of numbers and dominance, the group who breed most. It is the responsible group becoming a smaller percentage of human beings whilst the irresponsible group overwhelms the world and it's resources. Natural selection, like markets, not best left to it's own devices. Birth control and a sense of what is right are vital in a modern world, where humans are in danger of grabbing everywhere and everything. The last thing any intelligent person wants is a competition on who can breed the most.

[ladybirder]

Of course, they are not agreeing with andy.

[ladybirder]

True OG.

[Islay]

If only it stuck to that Naomi but frequently it is Muslim bashing for the sake of it as is the I know more than you comments!

[naomi24]

Islay, I know what you mean. People who know nothing of Islam often claim to possess greater expertise than they actually have.

[ummmm]

I don't think that's true. It's just some of us know that not all Muslims follow the Koran and are not interested in wanting an Islamic world.

[naomi24]

ummmm, and you 'know' that how?

[sandyRoe]

Have most of the Turks who live in Germany not successfully integrated? It will take the latest arrivals some time to acclimatize and get used to western ways.

[ummmm]

Because I asked the ones I know.

[Khandro]

//Have most of the Turks who live in Germany not successfully integrated?//

Some have, we have a nice plumber call Mustapha but he is a lapsed Muslim.
I have posted before about a young woman teacher who wrote to the local newspaper saying how shocked she is to hear the vitriolic hatred against Jews she hears spouted from young second and third generation Turkish boys in her classes.
She says she dare not mention that she is herself Jewish.
Germany 2016!

[naomi24]

ummmm, ah, right. That explains it then ....

[andy-hughes]

Islay - //Islay, I know what you mean. People who know nothing of Islam often claim to possess greater expertise than they actually have. //

In my defence, I have always been at pains to confirm that I am merely expressing my opinion, and I do not have any expertise to back it up - however, even that does seem to upset some people (no names of course) who wish to claim the higher knowledge ground simply on the basis of having read the Koran.

As I have advised previously, reading does not necessarily, or indeed automatically equate with understanding.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, there you go copying and pasting my posts again. Was that one about me - or not? Never mind, I'll respond to your comment. Although reading the Koran is the obvious place to begin, the acquisition of a sound knowledge of Islam requires rather more effort than that. For anyone who wants to learn I would recommend studying the life of Mohammed too - as another starter.

[sandyRoe]

I'd be reluctant to delve too deeply into strange, un Christian, religions. Wesley's words come to mind, 'They came to mock but stayed to listed'.
I might be converted.

[andy-hughes]

sandyRoe - //I'd be reluctant to delve too deeply into strange, un Christian, religions. Wesley's words come to mind, 'They came to mock but stayed to listed'.
I might be converted. //

If you read the 'expert' opinions that pour forth on here on a daily basis, you'll be put off Islam for life!

[naomi24]

Andy-hughes, another thought. Since, as you say, you do not have any expertise, I’m at a loss to understand why you feel qualified to judge whether or not someone else understands Islam. Curious.

[Khandro]

as the lady said;
“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - Your quote was made by a man - who is 'the lady' to whom you refer?