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Invitation To The Left.
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If you consider yourself left wing, or Antifa, would you tell us why the left support immigration, are so vocal in support of Muslims, oppose Brexit, and shout " racist " at people who wish to protect our borders and our culture?
Addressing other issues I have not mentioned would be welcome.
This is a thread of genuine interest.
Addressing other issues I have not mentioned would be welcome.
This is a thread of genuine interest.
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Not all the left leaning folk support immigration. I'd hope most simply wanted government in their country that prioritised society and the people, rather than prioritise the few to be able to attract the world's wealth for themselves, regardless of what they have to do to whom to get it, and blow the little folk.
/// (a) I support immigration because all of the statistics show us that immigration benefits the UK financially ///
Yes the influx of cheap labour, at the detriment to the indigenous population who fought hard to improve the standard of living for the working classes.
/// (and because it broadens our culture) ; ///
Judging by the standards of those imported cultures, not to the good of our culture.
/// I see Islam as no better or worse than any other such utter claptrap ; ///
Perhaps you do not like religion, but stating that Islam is no worse than any other is a great stretch of the imagination, and a certain support for that religion once again.
/// I oppose Brexit because it would be economically disastrous and a step backwards from Europe becoming a SINGLE country ///
Ah I now see why you put this:
/// My politics are often more in line with Adolf Hitler's ///
Yes the influx of cheap labour, at the detriment to the indigenous population who fought hard to improve the standard of living for the working classes.
/// (and because it broadens our culture) ; ///
Judging by the standards of those imported cultures, not to the good of our culture.
/// I see Islam as no better or worse than any other such utter claptrap ; ///
Perhaps you do not like religion, but stating that Islam is no worse than any other is a great stretch of the imagination, and a certain support for that religion once again.
/// I oppose Brexit because it would be economically disastrous and a step backwards from Europe becoming a SINGLE country ///
Ah I now see why you put this:
/// My politics are often more in line with Adolf Hitler's ///
I believe statistics re immigrants avoid the issue of displaced labour. Whatever the immigrant brings to the party there's an unemployed native on welfare, so contribution is likely negative overall. Religion hardly comes into it unless one is letting dangerous extremists in. Racism hardly comes into it as racists exist regardless. Long term Brexit will be economically beneficial and there's nothing but trouble shoehorning together different cultures/peoples. It's an example of vision over reality.
Buenchico: (a) I support immigration because all of the statistics show us that immigration benefits the UK financially (and because it broadens our culture)
VE: We're going to have to disagree on the financial benefits bit, Buenchico. Seen loads of numbers; none seem to take into account the indirect costs. But give me a link anyway.
It "broadens our culture"? Isn't there a that depends qualification needed here? Particular groups like the Huegenots and the Lombards brought useful skills to this country. What societal benefits (FGM apart) do Somalis bring?
Buenchico: (b) I detest ALL religions (and Christianity in particular) I see Islam as no better or worse than any other such utter claptrap.
VE: A common, but implausible view: why should religion be less diverse in moral consequence than political ideologies are? Example: in a modern pluralistic democracy which religion is likely to produce the more congenial citizens (assuming its adherents are acting in accord with their faith? Would that be the followers of Christ who said "Love your enemies and bless those who persecute you", or the followers of Mohammed who are told in the Koran that "you are the best of peoples ever raised up [who] believe in Allah" while those who reject Mohammed are "the worst of creatures"?
Buenchico: (c) I recognise racism in those people who protest that they're not racist (but quite blatantly are)
VE: And now you've found another one - except that I don't go around protesting anything.
Buenchico: (d) I oppose Brexit because it would be economically disastrous and a step backwards from Europe becoming a SINGLE country (rather than any type of confederation of states), as it ultimately needs to be.
VE: You may be absolutely right - or totally wrong - or somewhere in between. If we ever get Brexit we'll find out, won't we? I take comfort, however, from the observation that the same parties who make this claim were wrong - and obviously so - about the ERM and the Euro.
I'm afraid I see your single country in Orwellian terms.
VE: We're going to have to disagree on the financial benefits bit, Buenchico. Seen loads of numbers; none seem to take into account the indirect costs. But give me a link anyway.
It "broadens our culture"? Isn't there a that depends qualification needed here? Particular groups like the Huegenots and the Lombards brought useful skills to this country. What societal benefits (FGM apart) do Somalis bring?
Buenchico: (b) I detest ALL religions (and Christianity in particular) I see Islam as no better or worse than any other such utter claptrap.
VE: A common, but implausible view: why should religion be less diverse in moral consequence than political ideologies are? Example: in a modern pluralistic democracy which religion is likely to produce the more congenial citizens (assuming its adherents are acting in accord with their faith? Would that be the followers of Christ who said "Love your enemies and bless those who persecute you", or the followers of Mohammed who are told in the Koran that "you are the best of peoples ever raised up [who] believe in Allah" while those who reject Mohammed are "the worst of creatures"?
Buenchico: (c) I recognise racism in those people who protest that they're not racist (but quite blatantly are)
VE: And now you've found another one - except that I don't go around protesting anything.
Buenchico: (d) I oppose Brexit because it would be economically disastrous and a step backwards from Europe becoming a SINGLE country (rather than any type of confederation of states), as it ultimately needs to be.
VE: You may be absolutely right - or totally wrong - or somewhere in between. If we ever get Brexit we'll find out, won't we? I take comfort, however, from the observation that the same parties who make this claim were wrong - and obviously so - about the ERM and the Euro.
I'm afraid I see your single country in Orwellian terms.
//“ how many christians “ have suppressed, killed and enslaved blacks and gays?//
I don't know, Spathiphyllum. Do you? Must be quite a lot because the modern European nations were plying the slave trade for three hundred years at least, and we know how recently slavery was abolished in the States.
By the way, o you know how many non-Christians have "suppressed, killed and enslaved blacks and gays?".
The history of slavery makes interesting reading. Contrary to popular opinion the slave trade was not a European invention. Do you know what the last country to abolish slavery was - and when?
I don't know, Spathiphyllum. Do you? Must be quite a lot because the modern European nations were plying the slave trade for three hundred years at least, and we know how recently slavery was abolished in the States.
By the way, o you know how many non-Christians have "suppressed, killed and enslaved blacks and gays?".
The history of slavery makes interesting reading. Contrary to popular opinion the slave trade was not a European invention. Do you know what the last country to abolish slavery was - and when?
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The "in support of Muslims" is the real funny.
There's Tamborine's answer, but also this: the far-Left and the Islamist far-Right have a shared objective - they both want to destroy Western culture in its present form. The Left believes the richest, healthiest and fairest societies the world has known are oppressive institutions in which everybody apart from the white male "patriarch" is victim. The Islamist believes that tolerant democracies in which "the people are sovereign" are rebelling against Divine law and condoning things Allah hates.
Of course if these two unlikely allies achieve their shared aim the marriage of convenience will be dissolved as fast as you can say "talaq" three times.
Note the Iranian revolution when Khomeini returned from France and the theocracy was established. The leftist who haad helped overthrow the Shah didn't last long.
There's Tamborine's answer, but also this: the far-Left and the Islamist far-Right have a shared objective - they both want to destroy Western culture in its present form. The Left believes the richest, healthiest and fairest societies the world has known are oppressive institutions in which everybody apart from the white male "patriarch" is victim. The Islamist believes that tolerant democracies in which "the people are sovereign" are rebelling against Divine law and condoning things Allah hates.
Of course if these two unlikely allies achieve their shared aim the marriage of convenience will be dissolved as fast as you can say "talaq" three times.
Note the Iranian revolution when Khomeini returned from France and the theocracy was established. The leftist who haad helped overthrow the Shah didn't last long.
Theland.T
//make the effort to find out exactly what the Koran teaches//
Also make the effort to find out exactly what the bible teaches:-
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//make the effort to find out exactly what the Koran teaches//
Also make the effort to find out exactly what the bible teaches:-
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