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Gays "never Felt More Vulnerable"
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What should we be doing to help this marginalised group?
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The argument about what should or what should not be taught in schools detracts from this OP. We all have our opinions on that, and I’m with the parents here, although not for the same reasons.
However, the OP refers to the claim that //LGBT people 'never felt more vulnerable' in Birmingham// so the real questions for me are:
1. Why do they feel more vulnerable now than ever before?
2. Does a protest by parents really render LGBT people more vulnerable…and if so, vulnerable to what?
However, the OP refers to the claim that //LGBT people 'never felt more vulnerable' in Birmingham// so the real questions for me are:
1. Why do they feel more vulnerable now than ever before?
2. Does a protest by parents really render LGBT people more vulnerable…and if so, vulnerable to what?
From the link - // More than 100 people attended an open meeting on Thursday in Birmingham's gay village, the majority of whom agreed they felt increasingly threatened, anxious and frightened. //
Given that they are people who turned up to this meeting, it is not surprising that they voiced that opinion, but that does not mean that they indicative of the attitudes of the majority of gay people.
I cannot speak from experience obviously, and welcome the input from the regular mature and balanced gay posters on here, but it seems to me that the huge majority of gay people accept their lot in life and simply get on with it.
Cultural attitudes are becoming more tolerant with each generation, but it seems to me that the majority of gay people deal with the slings and arrows that their orientation delivers to them, with a sharp sense of humour, and a vast amount of empathy and sympathy.
It falls to the self-obsessed minority to make a huge issue out of their 'difference', using it for simple attention-seeking and self-aggrandisement, when everyone else, gay or straight, really couldn't care less.
Sadly, the access to a 'voice' via social media and the obsessions with those who have little of worth to fill their time, means that such people are indulged far more than their lot in life actually justifies - and the modern media loves to encourage their nonsense, to the detriment of society as a whole.
Given that they are people who turned up to this meeting, it is not surprising that they voiced that opinion, but that does not mean that they indicative of the attitudes of the majority of gay people.
I cannot speak from experience obviously, and welcome the input from the regular mature and balanced gay posters on here, but it seems to me that the huge majority of gay people accept their lot in life and simply get on with it.
Cultural attitudes are becoming more tolerant with each generation, but it seems to me that the majority of gay people deal with the slings and arrows that their orientation delivers to them, with a sharp sense of humour, and a vast amount of empathy and sympathy.
It falls to the self-obsessed minority to make a huge issue out of their 'difference', using it for simple attention-seeking and self-aggrandisement, when everyone else, gay or straight, really couldn't care less.
Sadly, the access to a 'voice' via social media and the obsessions with those who have little of worth to fill their time, means that such people are indulged far more than their lot in life actually justifies - and the modern media loves to encourage their nonsense, to the detriment of society as a whole.
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Talbot - // It falls to the self-obsessed minority to make a huge issue out of their 'difference', using it for simple attention-seeking and self-aggrandisement, when everyone else, gay or straight, really couldn't care less.
minority? //
I like to think that self-obsessed in any strata of society form a minority, it would not bode well for the future of our culture if they were not.
The honourable exception to the rule is of course, politicians, since a high level of self-obsession is a prerequisite to even thinking about applying to be one.
minority? //
I like to think that self-obsessed in any strata of society form a minority, it would not bode well for the future of our culture if they were not.
The honourable exception to the rule is of course, politicians, since a high level of self-obsession is a prerequisite to even thinking about applying to be one.
AOG - // andy-hughes
Very welcomed support for the Gay community Andy, but I see no criticism of the Muslim protesters from you, why is that? //
Not for any particular alignment in the argument, but simply because I didn't think of it.
Once again the protestors form a self-obsessed minority, and their protest is futile and ill-judged, which is not to attempt to deny them their right to an opinion, and a platform to voice it, merely to observe that chanting outside a school has never yet done anything to influence what occurs inside that school.
Very welcomed support for the Gay community Andy, but I see no criticism of the Muslim protesters from you, why is that? //
Not for any particular alignment in the argument, but simply because I didn't think of it.
Once again the protestors form a self-obsessed minority, and their protest is futile and ill-judged, which is not to attempt to deny them their right to an opinion, and a platform to voice it, merely to observe that chanting outside a school has never yet done anything to influence what occurs inside that school.
AOG - // andy-hughes
/// Cultural attitudes are becoming more tolerant with each
generation ///
Don't you mean sexual attitudes, surely from this example you can't mean cultural? //
I am using the word 'cultural' in its widest sense - in an effort to avoid the marginalisation of individuals that only inflames this sort of situation.
As a society, we should be embracing individuality, but that is not the same as encouraging people to see themselves, and insist on being seen by others, in terms of their religion, or orientation.
Both help to create the individual, but they are not the sum total of the individual, and allowing people to insist that they should be is not a good way forward for society as a whole.
/// Cultural attitudes are becoming more tolerant with each
generation ///
Don't you mean sexual attitudes, surely from this example you can't mean cultural? //
I am using the word 'cultural' in its widest sense - in an effort to avoid the marginalisation of individuals that only inflames this sort of situation.
As a society, we should be embracing individuality, but that is not the same as encouraging people to see themselves, and insist on being seen by others, in terms of their religion, or orientation.
Both help to create the individual, but they are not the sum total of the individual, and allowing people to insist that they should be is not a good way forward for society as a whole.
Danny's comment of //No, nothing in the curriculum would have given rise to any sort of demonstration.//
Makes me think.... Maybe there should have been then....
I am not at all sure that "hate" in itself could be anything other than a thought crime. We already have laws to protect against abuse, harassment, assault, etc.
Makes me think.... Maybe there should have been then....
I am not at all sure that "hate" in itself could be anything other than a thought crime. We already have laws to protect against abuse, harassment, assault, etc.
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