I Need Answers

[Raptocrone]

So here's the thing, i've seen all these controversy about the government wanting to Ban Abortion and People who disagree with it, but some people are saying that abortion is a cruel thing to do because it's killing a human being before they even born because of your own mistake, but than people ask what if they got raped? So the solution is either telling people not to be a rapist which is a good idea but wasn't really effective, or women can protect themselves by wearing an outfit that doesn't make them look attractive like the ones Muslim women use to wear, you don't see a lot of Muslim women got raped right?, But then again people started protesting about how men shouldn't be allowed to tell women what to wear it's like they've been given a solution but then they denied it and start making another problem with it, i just don't understand, do you have a better solution? Let me know

[jim360]

Then the point is viability, which is currently in the region of 20-24 weeks, and there can be minimal objection to abortions before then; afterwards is more complicated, but there are occasions when abortion is the only way to save the life of the mother (or if the baby is already functionally dead), and late-term abortions for these and other reasons end up representing less than 1% of all abortions worldwide.

[jim360]

You answer the question first, Nailit.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//The pregnant woman is a sentient human being too//

That doesn't give her the right to kill another such, CloverJo, does it?

[EDDIE51]

Not quite the question, but I once met a woman who had a baby for a woman who was medically unable to have a succesfull pregnancy ! Wonderful person so unselfish !!

[nailit]

//You answer the question first, Nailit//
What question?

[Cloverjo]

That was kind of my point, nailit. We’ve been told we shouldn’t be lax with contraception, but what about men?

Things go wrong. Stuff happens. When it does it’s the woman who has to deal with it, and I don’t think a woman should have to carry a whole new person, push it out and bring it up (or give it up for adoption) because of one mistake.

[nailit]

//Things go wrong. Stuff happens. When it does it’s the woman who has to deal with it, and I don’t think a woman should have to carry a whole new person, push it out and bring it up (or give it up for adoption) because of one mistake.//

Just scrape it out then.

[jim360]

Clover's question.

[Calicogirl]

I'm going to chip in here, it doesn't matter Nailit. Because it's the woman always carries the can, whether it's a decent loving man like my husband who despite his good intentions selfishly doesn't like to use barrier protection or a feckless *** who just doesn't care. I can't take the pill but I'm trying very hard not to get pregnant not because I don't want his baby, I do, more than you can imagine in fact, but its not a sensible thing for me and it's likely to end badly and I don't want that, but he is blissfully unaware of the massive impact it had on me and the potential has on me, despite my best efforts to explain. If wonderful loving he is like that, what is some bloke who is not attached not interested like? Totally disconnected from the outcome and judgemental of it is what, and that is why women must be free to choose their own destiny if mishaps happen. I don't believe MOST women use abortions as contraception, that's patently ridiculous, and those that do have deeper problems tbh.

[vetuste_ennemi]

There ar two metaphorical models for pregnancy.

"Pro-lifers": safe home for my future son or daughter, but nine months of increasing physical inconvenience. Stick with it.

"Women's right to choose": my body, increasingly inconvenient, perhaps. I will decide whether this inconvenience is a future child to be nurtured, or a cancer to be excised.

[nailit]

It doesn't matter if its my kid or not does it?
Doesn't matter if I (as a man) am willing to bring it up?
Just dismember it and scrape it out.
What do fathers have to do with it anyway in law?
Its all about the woman isn't it?
I never hear about the rights of the father.
Just the mothers rights to suck it out like a piece of garbage...

[jim360]

For someone who clearly fancies himself one of AB's intellectuals you seem to struggle with subtlety, ve.

[cassa333]

Rape and incest is actually a tiny tiny % of the reasons for abortion. I think it is less than 1%.

In the US incest victims as young as 11 have been taken to the abortion clinic by their rapist abuser, sorry father and been given an abortion and sent home to be raped and abused again. PP should have called the police and alerted the authorities but didn’t. The evidence is simply thrown away or sold for research.

If you have no regard for human life then carry on aborting viable human beings. Because that is what it is. A human being.

Once past the legitimate ‘clump of cells’ argument and you have a viable baby in there you have no right to kill it just because it happens to be inconvenient in some way. Which is by far the most recorded reason for abortion.

Pregnancy and birth is a biological fact. It has nothing to do with the patriarchy, oppression or any leftist gibberish to nullify science. Even more so in the west where women have more freedoms, in fact the same freedoms as men and than any other time.

Abortions shouldn’t be free. It should be bloody expensive. But what should be free instead is education, contraception and self respect.

The pro life laws now in Alabama and the heartbeat bill in other states in the US are a direct push back to the extreme pro abortion laws in places like Virginia and NY. Abortion up to and including NF the moment of birth. In the case of Virginias Governor Northam, after birth.

For 38 consecutive days (probably more by now) not one single Democrat in Congress has signed the ‘born alive’ bill. They will not even protect born alive children. Because they should have been killed at the abortion stage.

I am both pro life and pro abortion.

I believe abortion up to viability. Once viable there is, according to some very knowledgeable and experiences paediatricians, not one single reason to abort a baby. If the mother’s life is in danger then an emergency c section is the quickest and safest method of making the mother and baby comfortable.

Oh and one more fun fact.

In NY more black baby’s were aborted than were born alive. How’s that for eugenics?

[vetuste_ennemi]

We're not all as strong as we pretend, are we, Calico Girl?

I wish you well, young lady.

[jim360]

When the father can volunteer to carry the child himself I'm sure you'll have a point, Nailit. Until then, you don't.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//For someone who clearly fancies himself one of AB's intellectuals you seem to struggle with subtlety, ve//

Thanks, Jim.

[jim360]

// Once viable there is, according to some very knowledgeable and experiences paediatricians, not one single reason to abort a baby. //

Well then you've been listening to the wrong paediatricians: fatal fetal abnormalities can persist beyond viability.

[Theland]

Bed calls. Goodnight.

[nailit]

Im with Theland, bed calls...
Just like to know at what stage is a collection of cells considered a liability or a baby?

[Calicogirl]

No indeed VE, life is never as simple, glorious or glamorous as we would wish, but I can only imagine the plight of some girls forced to continue with something which is basically an invasion of their person by an oppressor. That is truly inhumane.