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I Voted Remain
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And am a lifelong conservative voter.
However, I’m in a complete quandary as to how to vote in next months general election.
I’m not very keen on Boris, my blood runs cold at the thought of Jezza in charge of the country, and what’s all this ‘tactical voting’ about?
I’d really like someone who has voted remain, and is a conservative voter, to tell me who they’re going to vote for, and why.
This is a serious question, I’d prefer it not to get into an argument. Thanks.
However, I’m in a complete quandary as to how to vote in next months general election.
I’m not very keen on Boris, my blood runs cold at the thought of Jezza in charge of the country, and what’s all this ‘tactical voting’ about?
I’d really like someone who has voted remain, and is a conservative voter, to tell me who they’re going to vote for, and why.
This is a serious question, I’d prefer it not to get into an argument. Thanks.
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//I will read manifestos…//
I wouldn’t bother, Nellie.
In 2017 the Liberal (so-called) Democrats stood on a manifesto which (as far as Brexit goes) pledged to put the terms of any “deal” (i.e. alternative treaty) to the electorate with the option of remaining on the ballot paper. Within a few months of having their MPs elected on that manifesto they began to appear in their “B*ll**ks to Brexit T-shirts, with the avowed intention, if elected, of revoking A50 without any reference to the electorate, least of all the 17.4m people who voted to leave.
// In fact no party can make any major decisions about anything unless they comply with EU regulations‘
How does the EU do that, spicey?//
The Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (Article 107) prevents governments providing support of more than 200,000 euros to industries without the EU’s explicit permission. When making a decision the starting point is that State Aid is “incompatible with the Single Market and it is up to the applicant government to show why they should be allowed to spend their taxpayers' money as they wish.
I wouldn’t bother, Nellie.
In 2017 the Liberal (so-called) Democrats stood on a manifesto which (as far as Brexit goes) pledged to put the terms of any “deal” (i.e. alternative treaty) to the electorate with the option of remaining on the ballot paper. Within a few months of having their MPs elected on that manifesto they began to appear in their “B*ll**ks to Brexit T-shirts, with the avowed intention, if elected, of revoking A50 without any reference to the electorate, least of all the 17.4m people who voted to leave.
// In fact no party can make any major decisions about anything unless they comply with EU regulations‘
How does the EU do that, spicey?//
The Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (Article 107) prevents governments providing support of more than 200,000 euros to industries without the EU’s explicit permission. When making a decision the starting point is that State Aid is “incompatible with the Single Market and it is up to the applicant government to show why they should be allowed to spend their taxpayers' money as they wish.
//Perhaps a middle path is what we want right now.//
How do you equate the Lib Dems' policies with the "middle path". The voters' uppermost consideration in this GE will undoubtedly be Brexit. The Lib Dem policy is to revoke A50 without reference to the electorate when the majority of those who voted in the referendum chose to leave. Their T-Shirts will have to be redesigned. Instead of displaying "B*ll**ks to Brexit" they will have to show "B*ll**ks to the Electorate."
How do you equate the Lib Dems' policies with the "middle path". The voters' uppermost consideration in this GE will undoubtedly be Brexit. The Lib Dem policy is to revoke A50 without reference to the electorate when the majority of those who voted in the referendum chose to leave. Their T-Shirts will have to be redesigned. Instead of displaying "B*ll**ks to Brexit" they will have to show "B*ll**ks to the Electorate."
‘ The Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union............’
That still doesn’t mean the Labour Party would be prevented from nationalising companies.
‘ In sum, the EU’s rules on state-owned enterprises, while complex, clearly do not impede nationalisation.’
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That still doesn’t mean the Labour Party would be prevented from nationalising companies.
‘ In sum, the EU’s rules on state-owned enterprises, while complex, clearly do not impede nationalisation.’
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Pixie, //i think naomi has the most similar views to me on this... so I am hoping to find out//
Thank you for asking. These are my thoughts.
The Brexit Party alone is committed to delivering a genuine Brexit. However, since this is a General Election – and a remarkably important one - I believe electors will, in the main, remain committed to the major parties and therefore a vote for the Brexit Party can only be a protest vote.
Should a Leaver, on principle, vote for The Brexit Party? In normal circumstances I would say that principle must take precedence – always. These are not, however, normal circumstances because the prospect of Corbyn and his creepy crew getting their sticky Marxist mitts on the keys to Downing Street – including the Chancellor’s lodgings containing the safe and the cheque book – looms large and therefore I think it imperative we consider that scenario very carefully indeed. The past three years have seen the UK torn apart by utterly shameless lies and liars, and five years of a Corbyn government would serve only to exacerbate the misery by submerging this country even deeper into the mire, resulting in certain economic and social disaster – and that would benefit nothing and no one.
Therefore, although I have no doubt whatsoever that the past three years have been purposefully manipulated by said lies and liars, and knowing full well that however it’s dressed up Boris’s ‘deal’ is not Brexit, I think we have no alternative but to accept that democracy has been sickeningly betrayed and this country will never, in any circumstances, become the free, independently proud nation it deserves to be, but will remain shackled for ever more to the whims of the cesspit that is the EU. Consequently, although the scars will run deep, trust in the Mother of all Parliaments utterly destroyed, and the treachery that is the Remain campaign and its supporters never forgotten, I too voted Conservative in the AB poll – and that is how I shall vote at the polling booth.
Thank you for asking. These are my thoughts.
The Brexit Party alone is committed to delivering a genuine Brexit. However, since this is a General Election – and a remarkably important one - I believe electors will, in the main, remain committed to the major parties and therefore a vote for the Brexit Party can only be a protest vote.
Should a Leaver, on principle, vote for The Brexit Party? In normal circumstances I would say that principle must take precedence – always. These are not, however, normal circumstances because the prospect of Corbyn and his creepy crew getting their sticky Marxist mitts on the keys to Downing Street – including the Chancellor’s lodgings containing the safe and the cheque book – looms large and therefore I think it imperative we consider that scenario very carefully indeed. The past three years have seen the UK torn apart by utterly shameless lies and liars, and five years of a Corbyn government would serve only to exacerbate the misery by submerging this country even deeper into the mire, resulting in certain economic and social disaster – and that would benefit nothing and no one.
Therefore, although I have no doubt whatsoever that the past three years have been purposefully manipulated by said lies and liars, and knowing full well that however it’s dressed up Boris’s ‘deal’ is not Brexit, I think we have no alternative but to accept that democracy has been sickeningly betrayed and this country will never, in any circumstances, become the free, independently proud nation it deserves to be, but will remain shackled for ever more to the whims of the cesspit that is the EU. Consequently, although the scars will run deep, trust in the Mother of all Parliaments utterly destroyed, and the treachery that is the Remain campaign and its supporters never forgotten, I too voted Conservative in the AB poll – and that is how I shall vote at the polling booth.
//That still doesn’t mean the Labour Party would be prevented from nationalising companies.//
I didn't say it would, Zacs (though, as you say, nationalising an industry is not straightforward). You asked how the EU influences national governments' major decisions. Providing support to (say) a failing industry or company is a major decision. A recent example is the failure of Thomas Cook. There is no doubt that had the government wanted to rescue the company (not that I'm advocating that they should have) they would have been prevented from doing so. That failure effected thousands of UK staff and tens of thousands of UK customers, but the UK government could not have stepped in without the EU's say so.
I didn't say it would, Zacs (though, as you say, nationalising an industry is not straightforward). You asked how the EU influences national governments' major decisions. Providing support to (say) a failing industry or company is a major decision. A recent example is the failure of Thomas Cook. There is no doubt that had the government wanted to rescue the company (not that I'm advocating that they should have) they would have been prevented from doing so. That failure effected thousands of UK staff and tens of thousands of UK customers, but the UK government could not have stepped in without the EU's say so.
//But on another page on this site,Newjudge,you are demonizing the non-working working class.Most of these probably voted Leave.Are you happy to associate yourself with these work-shy wasters?//
I don't think that their voting the same way as me when asked a binary question necessarily associates me with them or vice versa on much else. Over 17m people voted in the same was as me and that is the only association we can say for sure that we have.
I don't think that their voting the same way as me when asked a binary question necessarily associates me with them or vice versa on much else. Over 17m people voted in the same was as me and that is the only association we can say for sure that we have.
OMG. Zac hasn’t done his... give me one reason/law/dictate again has he? Here’s a biggie for you Zac. Trade deals we can make autonomously and without regard to the EU.
Anyway.
I am usually a Tory voter. In the distant past, in my younger days I was a Labour voter. But then I grew up and realised socialist ideals were fine up to a point but then one should not be beholden to government for a lifestyle. One has to work bloody hard to get more than you have.
I have over the last couple of elections, where possible voted initially UKIP but changed to Brexit.
Labour laughably want to renegotiate a treaty we are not able to change in any great, or even small, meaningful way but then will campaign against it. The nondems want to overturn the referendum on day one and Boris has as bad a deal as May that is not Brexit and hog ties us to the EU for an indeterminate time that the EU has control over.
Therefore Brexit is the only party left.
Anyway.
I am usually a Tory voter. In the distant past, in my younger days I was a Labour voter. But then I grew up and realised socialist ideals were fine up to a point but then one should not be beholden to government for a lifestyle. One has to work bloody hard to get more than you have.
I have over the last couple of elections, where possible voted initially UKIP but changed to Brexit.
Labour laughably want to renegotiate a treaty we are not able to change in any great, or even small, meaningful way but then will campaign against it. The nondems want to overturn the referendum on day one and Boris has as bad a deal as May that is not Brexit and hog ties us to the EU for an indeterminate time that the EU has control over.
Therefore Brexit is the only party left.
Yes, cassa I am a bit of a lone wolf on AnswerBank in that I like people to back up their assertions with facts. NJ has provided some snippets but nothing which convicts me they’re the Dark Overlords some on here would paint them as.
The silly thing about arguing what laws the EU has over us is that, under the Withdrawl Act (soon to be the WA Bill) is that the entire raft of EU law was written into BRitish law with it. So basically leave voters can make zero criticism of EU law without shooting them selves in the foot.
Something else worth remembering when you vote, eh!
The silly thing about arguing what laws the EU has over us is that, under the Withdrawl Act (soon to be the WA Bill) is that the entire raft of EU law was written into BRitish law with it. So basically leave voters can make zero criticism of EU law without shooting them selves in the foot.
Something else worth remembering when you vote, eh!
Zacs, //So basically leave voters can make zero criticism of EU law without shooting them selves in the foot.//
And so it continues. To quote spath’s favourite phrase, that’s a moot point and about as disingenuous as all the other moot points Remainers are in the habit of making. The idea is to retain all laws until Brexit happens – and then to examine them, retaining the good and abandoning the bad – but then you knew that.
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And so it continues. To quote spath’s favourite phrase, that’s a moot point and about as disingenuous as all the other moot points Remainers are in the habit of making. The idea is to retain all laws until Brexit happens – and then to examine them, retaining the good and abandoning the bad – but then you knew that.
Next!
Don't know where you get that from. Of course folk can criticize without shooting themselves in the foot. As has been previously pointed out, it is easiest to put everything into UK law first, and change it going forward, as required. Once in UK law it doesn't take on the characteristic of being flawless and unchanging.
‘ The idea is to retain all laws until Brexit happens – and then to examine them, retaining the good and abandoning the bad’
You sure about that, Naomi? My information tells me that it will take at least until the end of the transitional period. The only piece of legislation, to my knowledge is the cessation of Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.
You sure about that, Naomi? My information tells me that it will take at least until the end of the transitional period. The only piece of legislation, to my knowledge is the cessation of Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.
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