Your Method Of Easing Lockdown

[naomi24]

Some people here seem to be in a permanent state of confusion over what I think are quite simple guidelines for the gradual easing of lockdown and for getting people back to work….so here’s their opportunity to shine. If you were in charge, how would you do it?

[naomi24]

diddlydo, you've got the wrong end of the stick. I haven't endorsed it.

[jim360]

Naomi wasn't endorsing DK. She was (naturally) wrong to agree that I was :P

[naomi24]

I didn't agree, Jim... I suspected.

[naomi24]

Who's DK?

[jim360]

Das Kapital.

Wrong to suspect, then.

[naomi24]

Still no answer though.

[jim360]

I doubt I'll ever be able to answer to your satisfaction -- or mine, for that matter. Best I can do is reword the question: assuming we see the back of Covid-19, should the world return to as it was before, or should this prompt changes in the way our society and our economy is organised? For example, do certain jobs deserve after all to be paid more money than they do now? Especially those that were deemed essential.

[naomi24]

That's pretty much what you said before but it means nothing unless you expand on it. What changes do you actually want?

[jim360]

It would be enough right now for people to ask such questions. I can't tell you what changes I want; I'm happy to accept that I'm out of my depth in exploring or understanding all the consequences of any changes, so it would be premature anyway.

[naomi24]

Right ....

[Spicerack]

I thought Pixie's idea was interesting. Pay carers a lot more money and, yes indeed, she'd be prepared to chip in a bit more.
In these days of rampant greed, it's refreshing to witness such selflessness.

[Theland]

Jim @ 23:18 - I don't believe the world will return to its pre-covid state.
A new way of thinking is needed.

[naomi24]

Another who wants the world to change - with no detail of aspiration.

[jim360]

I'd have thought you'd be a fan of asking questions and challenging perceived wisdom etc for its own sake, without necessarily claiming to have the answers.

Still, I've suggested that at least part of the answer may be "we should pay nurses and other essential workers more", and I'm surprised, to say the least, that this has prompted suggestions from some quarters that I'm a closet Marxist.

[Theland]

''Another who wants the world to change ...........''
Yes indeed I do.
And you, Naomi, don't you also want change?
And if so, how?
Or is the world perfection as it is as far as you're concerned?

[naomi24]

Jim. //I'd have thought you'd be a fan of asking questions and challenging perceived wisdom etc for its own sake, without necessarily claiming to have the answers.//

I’m all for asking questions - not enough of it around in my opinion. However, in order to attempt to answer questions it’s necessary to know what they are. A pay rise for nurses is as far as you’ve got. Hardly a world-changing idea..

Theland, //Naomi, don't you also want change?
And if so, how?//

You say you want change, The ball is in your court.

[fiction-factory]

It's your thread naomi so you can take it where you want, but by changing the theme from your original question to finding various things to press Jim and Theland on such little things as how we would like to change the world for the better makes it difficult for others to follow and may put others off joining on what seems to be am ongoing saga between you and jim

[naomi24]

FF, I didn't introduce the subject of changing the world - Jim did - and now Theland has added his two pennyworth on that subject. I can only assume they want to talk about that, but if you don't there's plenty more on AB that might interest you.

[fiction-factory]

You keep asking them for more info. Just seems to me to be a game of one-upmanship from you on a lot of these threads, but yes I'm happy to look elsewhere. I didn't feel anyone notice was being taken of my answers to the original question anyway- maybe there was nothing I said to pick holes in. I'm just suggesting a new thread might help if you want answers on something outside the immediate scope of the OP. Just a suggestion but I know you'll carry on regardless

[Spicerack]

Threads move on. I'm interested in the new world order.
You've got to admire jim. He's lost 90% of his income but selflessly wants extended lockdown.
Talking of selfless people, I see Pixie just got £8,000 off the Gov. That'll boost the new society.