Sig-Jest For Suggest?

[joko]

we all know american and english pronunciations can be weird - but how did 'sig-jest' for suggest happen?

the changes made were to supposedly make the language simpler (nothing to do with ink costs) but this pronunciation surely makes it longer to say and weirder given the spelling?

thanks

[Peter Pedant]

eek
dont what to say on an AB level
readings by chance can pronunciation
water ( northern spelling and pronounced warr - ter - - wa as in ma) and mercian pronunciation worter
( mercian from west mercia not american)

if anyone wants to say what drives language mutation go ahead - I have been wondering myself for 50y

I remember being told "I wanna be happee...."
was wrong and it should be I want to be happeh
( more like the modern pair or pare where the london r is virtually inaudible)
and it rhymed with frappe ( crushed ice ) which I always thought was frappay

[Peter Pedant]

readins can by chance affect pronunciation

bad proof reading sozza

[Old_Geezer]

Vowel swaps do occur where folk are lazy and happy to copy other's errors.

[Peter Pedant]

yeah tis called metathesis

cleopatra no no arab ( sozza will stop AB speak no matter how comprehensible to the masses )
Cleopatra is not an arab name - because - -- arabic syllables are open or closed - CV or CVC [now children can you see what C and V stand for?) - because cleo is CCVV and can necver occur
BUT the ciggies ( yup you can smoke them) are kilopatra
metathesis has operated to make the name more pronunciation easier

[THECORBYLOON]

Who says "sig-jest"?

[joko]

im talking about the hard G

the vowel is not relevant

but americans say sig-jest or sug-jest ... but most often it sounds like sig

[Peter Pedant]

I used to say wed nez day for the middle of the week
but it didnt catch on

oh and oonly - - as in I am oonly little"

[Peter Pedant]

I jsut cant do it it sounds so weird
say siG jest - - that is
I can do a few other weird things

[Peter Pedant]

as in I siG-jest Trump will win on Tue
oh no no no!

( line from Amy )

[THECORBYLOON]

I've Googled it and it seems some Americans do pronounce it "sig/sug-jest" but I can't say I have ever noticed it before.

English is strange, why do we not say "suhseed" for "succeed" and why do most folk not rhyme "finger" with "singer"?

[joko]

finger and singer always rhyme!

how else can they be pronounced?

[Old_Geezer]

Can't recall hearing it with a hard G.

[THECORBYLOON]

I don't pronounce a hard "g" in "finger" so "finger" and "wringer" rhyme for me.

[bhg481]

A person who sings is a singer with a hard g; a person who burns things is a singer with a soft g. A person who complains a lot is a whinger with a soft g; a person who squeezes the water out of washing is a wringer with a hard g.

[AuntPollyGrey]

I though the American pronunciation was 'Sir-Jest' though the USA has probably the same amount of accents as the UK.

I put the pronunciation 'Sig -Jest ' with equally annoying words like 'Axe' instead of 'Ask' and that's mainly heard spoken by African Americans.

[THECORBYLOON]

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requested_entries_(Scots)

fingurs (Doric word meaning "fingers" - pronounciation is notably different from English word "fingers" as the "g" is pronounced like the "g" in "stingers", not like the "g" in "lingers" as with the English word "fingers")

[ABerrant]

//finger and singer always rhyme!

how else can they be pronounced? //


You already know the answer to that!
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Phrases-and-Sayings/Question1020186.html

[joko]

aberrant - ah never thought of that.

thats not a hard or soft g thought really

i think corby is assuming that ng sound in the middle of a word is more common than it is.

[THECORBYLOON]

My dictionary shows "singer" is pronounced as "sing'er" but it has "finger" pronounced as "fing'ger" which is how most folk say it.

I pronounce it as "fing'er" to rhyme with all other similar "ng" words.

[joko]

Corbyloon - check out that link Abberrant has posted - i ask a question ages ago about what i think youre referring to.
when youre writing it out here, like what you say are differences, they just sound the same to me.
i thought you were saying one had a hard g - as in the start of garage, and a soft g as in the second g in garage.

the sound i think you mean almost cancels out the hard G and produces a sort of 'ng' sound.

its not common at all where i am from - NW england

when i 'hear' in my mind, i recall it as kind of posh-ish, southern

its probably a