No White Blokes Need Apply.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://ibb.co/LCDQ9vw
I was doing a bit of tellering today at a local library being used as a polling station. Anyway I saw this poster and wondered by this racism is apparently ok. It is apparently called "positive action" how can discrimination be "Positive"?

[New Judge]

//The current Dorset police is not representative of current Dorset population//

Probably not. They need to up their quota of people who are retired and used to live in Surrey.

[Barmaid]

It does not say that white blokes need not apply and I cannot see how you make that leap. It merely indicates support to under represented sections of society to apply. Nothing more.

A woman victim of crime might prefer to talk to a female officer.

An asian woman fleeing from a forced marriage may feel more comfortable dealing with an asian lady officer. There are many other examples.

It is not discrimination (and they make it clear that selection is based on merit) to encourage a more diverse police force.

I completely accept that sometimes the discrimination tail appears to be wagging the dog, but this is not one of them.

[ToraToraTora]

barmaid: "It does not say that white blokes need not apply" - no it doesn't but it might as well, it says: "Asian, Eastern European, black or other ethnic background?" etc.
"It is not discrimination.." - so if I said "Asian, Eastern European, black or other ethnic background, then please don't apply" that would be fine would it? You can't have it both ways.

[ToraToraTora]

barmaid: "It is not discrimination (and they make it clear that selection is based on merit)" - they make it clear that merit has the least relevancy.

[bobbinwales]

Your misunderstanding this positive action toratoratora. Its not ring fencing jobs to fullfill quota's.....its giving support in the application process to those who maybe good enough but either don't think it's worth applying or are not as good as other sections of society at making there appllication as good as it could be. It's no different to my neiices school which had a support program to help the less well off/working class ( often white pupils with there oxbridge/ uni apps

[bobbinwales]

Your misunderstanding this positive action toratoratora. Its not ring fencing jobs to fullfill quota's.....its giving support in the application process to those who maybe good enough but either don't think it's worth applying or are not as good as other sections of society at making there appllication as good as it could be. It's no different to my neiices school which had a support program to encourage/help the less well off/working class ( often white)pupils with there oxbridge/ uni applications

[ToraToraTora]

bit of a stutter bob?

[ToraToraTora]

bob, I see the point you are making but can you imagine the uproar if such a poster was asking for white blokes only? It seems the worst of the worst these days is to be a white British geezer!

[THECORBYLOON]

Just as an aside, are folk not discouraged from taking photos inside a polling station?

[Zacs-Master]

The aim of the poster is for people from those sections of society, in Dorset, to see that there are opportunities for them to join the police either directly or in a supporting role. There are no jobs which white British people are excluded from applying for.

Why is that so hard to comprehend. Especially by a supposed member of MENSA?

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, "can you imagine the uproar if such a poster was asking for white blokes only?"

This poster is not asking for applications only from folk of a particular ethnicity though, is it?

[ToraToraTora]

I see it ZM but why is it ok when the diametric opposite would cause a mass pebble dashing of screens with organic peace porridge?

[New Judge]

//Just as an aside, are folk not discouraged from taking photos inside a polling station?//

Guidance to Returning Officers:

"Our advice is that you should not allow photos to be taken inside polling stations. The law relating to obtaining information in polling stations and disclosing such information is complex and there is a risk that someone taking a photo inside a polling station may be in breach of the law, whether intentionally or not."

[Zacs-Master]

There’s no need for a diametrically opposite poster, Tora. Not in Dorset anyway.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "There’s no need for a diametrically opposite poster, Tora. Not in Dorset anyway. " - ok so lets say I go to Birmingham then and have a "DOP"- I'll be on the news!

[Barmaid]

TTT there is no discrimination; positive action is allowed by law. No police force needs to advertise that white blokes will be given assistance because generally white blokes dont need encouragement or assistance to apply. The police force is dominated by white males. The idea is to encourage under represented sections of society to join.

White males are obviously welcome, but encouraging females, asian, black and other under reprepresented sections of society makes absolute sense.

What is wrong with saying "we want to be as diverse as our society and we want police officers who understand every part of our society?"

The bar used to be only upper class males. It is better it is now much more diverse.

I do get your argument but I think you are claiming discrimination where there is none.

[Zacs-Master]

Have a read of this, Tora. If white police personnel far outnumber BAME ones in the West Midlands, image what it’s like in Dorset.

https://www.police.uk/pu/your-area/west-midlands-police/performance/workforce-diversity/

Now do you understand what the poster is trying to do?

[ToraToraTora]

Yes I understand but you all seem to be misunderstanding me, if the boot was on the other foot there would be uproar.

[Zacs-Master]

And a few people have pointed out that there is no ‘if’.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "If white police personnel far outnumber BAME ones in the West Midlands, image what it’s like in Dorset. " - so ploddery is not a career that interested BAME types, clearly.