Immigration

[Hymie]

It looks like at least one political leader is reading my posts on here – that migrants are absolutely essential to our economy (public services, businesses etc); with an aging population and low fertility rates - it is the only realistic policy if we are not to have our public services/business suffering drastic decline through a lack of workers.

 

[sandyRoe]

We're in the same boat as Japan and Italy.  Both have dwindling populations.  The Japanese, with their restrictions on foreigners coming to their land, will suffer a rapid decline.

The Italians, though they may not accept, or know, are in a more fortunate position.  There's a constant flow of refugees coming to their country.  They will be able to bolster the Italian economy.

We need to welcome refugees and find them employment.

[Khandro]

Yes, we need as many of those Afghan and sub-Saharan brain surgeons as we can get. 

[THECORBYLOON]

Are you in Germany still, KHANDRO?

[newmodarmy]

I agree...butit needs to be the right kind of immigrant...who come here legally, who have been thoroughly vetted  and have skills we need.

[Hymie]

I think we need to instigate some sort of scheme where people are required to carry a card which indicates whether they voted for Brexit and also support restricting immigration (as proposed by the likes of Farage).

 

Then whenever they went to the supermarket, they would pay the higher prices as a result of Brexit, they would be placed at the back of the queue in terms of obtaining medication that was in short supply due to Brexit, they would have to pay extra tax into the exchequer to make up for the £40 billion lost annually due to Brexit, they would have their own long queue (5 hours +) at our borders (with the EU) plus they would need a visa to travel to Europe - they very well might be refused treatment at A&E because only migrant staff were on duty, they would be banned from using certain bus and train services etc, again because they were operated by migrant staff – the list goes on and on.

 

Then, just maybe then, people on here would not be posting nonsense that there is no negative impact (to them) from Brexit, or from a restrictive immigration policy.

[naomi24]

I thought this post was about immigration.  

[andy-hughes]

I think the problem is, the terms 'immigrant' and 'immigration' have become automatic reaction triggers and the meaning of the terms are spread too widely.

There is a world of difference between a doctor or nurse who is going to come in from abroad, settle, integrate, work for the benefit of society, pay taxes, and generally be of benefit to the nation, and a young criminal single man stepping off a leaky boat and vanishing into the underclass, either draining already crippled social services, or commiting crime with impunity.

But both attract the term 'immigrant'.

Perhaps we need to find a new noun and a new definition to spearate the two.

Then we can be sure that we are talking about welcoming and encouraging one, and discouraging and preventing the other.

[ToraToraTora]

Glad you like the architects of Brexit from Scotland.

[ToraToraTora]

10:15 yeah perhaps we should all wear a yellow star on our clothes. Great idea Hymie!

[andy-hughes]

Hymie - // I think we need to instigate some sort of scheme where people are required to carry a card which indicates whether they voted for Brexit and also support restricting immigration (as proposed by the likes of Farage). //

Brexit was the result of deomcratic process.

A properly held and audited vote was offered to the electorate, and they chose Brexit.

Now your frequent tedious rants make it clear that you did not approve of that result, but it is the result, and it is morally and legally binding.

So the idea of some fascist notion that you identify people who secretly voted for something you don't approve of, flies utterly in the face of a free and fair society, where a right to choose secretly is enshrined in our democratic processes.

You really do need to accept that ranting on here changes absoutely nothing, except to reveal the more unpleasant side of your character to a load of strangers, who don't really care, because you bored them into indifference years ago.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "Perhaps we need to find a new noun and a new definition to spearate the two." - how about "alien invader"?

[ToraToraTora]

10:42, succinctly put, there's your BA hymie, if you have the guts.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // AH: "Perhaps we need to find a new noun and a new definition to spearate the two." - how about "alien invader"? //

Works for me.

[Ellipsis]

We need immigration because we have so much emigration and our remaining population is getting older, more and more retired, with their triple locked pensions, and needing new blood to support them. The irony is that it's mainly that same pensioner cohort that doesn't want so much immigration ...

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[Khandro]

I cant believe I'm reading all this globalist, socialist, naive claptrap on this thread.

Immigration is going to be what this forthcoming election is all about. 

                                                                                                   Not just in Britain & Europe, but in all parts of the world, each country is moving to the right on this issue and yet Britain, so we are to believe, is moving towards a leftist liberal administration set to destroy the country.  

[newmodarmy]

So it's the fault of emigrants? Like gulliver?

[THECORBYLOON]

KHANDRO, are you not an immigrant in Germany?

[Auntypoll]

Maybe the politicians should attempt to keep our talent from EMMIGRATING to places like Canada and Australia by paying them appropriate salaries? Then we would'nt have to import nurses and doctors that have a very basic knowlegde of the English language and have them send half their money back to ageing parents in India. We have a very rural practice that serves 300 people over a huge area. Years ago we had two lovely GP's who knew everyone and treated accordingly. Now we have three foriegn doctors who frankly even i find hard to understand, and the older people are not making appointments because they can't understand what the doctor is saying. They ask for the nurse instead and its her that told me this 

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - Quite the double whammy.

You manage to comprehensively insult the contributors thus far, and as your superior and 'more intelligent' addition, you offer statements as obvious as they are bland and meaningless.