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Hymie | 10:54 Sun 26th Jan 2025 | Society & Culture
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In this video, Trump clearly has no clue what he is signing – each time asking some flunky to explain the executive order.  In signing one of the executive orders (giving pardons) he does not know how many are being given pardons (with the flunky falsely claiming that they are all peaceful protesters).

 

Had I been the flunky, after Trump had signed an executive order – I would have announced that he had just signed his own death warrant, just to see his reaction.

 

 

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Peter Pedant, This isn't about me 

I read I understand - it  is  about the unwisdom of signing docs you  havent read.

... and then pronouncing pompously, confidently and wrongly about it.

as threats from the usual suspects rain down upon me

Can you imagine  JFK saying 1962

"Bay of Pigs? I thart they meant Bay  of Moo's, just off Long Island!" not me Gov I am on too  high a pay  scale  !

“Even in my work, if someone places a document before me and asks me to sign it – I would never just accept what someone said I was signing.”

Not even if you had spent some time collaborating with your team, getting them to produce the document as a result of that collaboration?

I have signed documents committing my employers to many millions of pounds expenditure, based on such collaborative exercises stretching back many weeks or months. I trusted them to produce the document as we agreed in our discussions and would not read through all the detail of what would often be fifty or sixty pages before signing it. That’s what President Trump was doing.

“At some later date, it would be no defence for me to claim I never read the document (so you can’t blame me).”

Indeed it wouldn’t. But that’s all part of managing a team and its tasks. You can delegate the work but you cannot delegate the responsibility. It’s why managers and directors get paid extra.

Or as naomi puts it more succinctly:

“…just like any executive at the top of any big business, Mr Trump issues instructions and has experienced and trusted people to carry out those instructions. “ 

The President manages slightly larger teams with considerably greater responsibilities than most of us. He sets their strategies. They come up with the tactics and the tools.

Biden signing executive orders

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This website gives access to many of Trump’s recent Executive Orders; most would not even run to 3 pages (including Trump’s Sharpie/marker pen signature).

 

Quite where NJ gets the idea that these might run to 50-60 pages as an excuse for Trump not knowing what he is signing, is a mystery to me.

 

https://www.dlapiper.com/en-gb/insights/publications/2025/01/trump-executive-orders

Since you've been told how it works and you still don't understand, hymie, doubtless it will remain a mystery to you.

I do wonder why a man who denies having small hands continues to emphasise their freakishness by using such a large pen.

Now, how hard will he wriggle, bluster and bully when one or more of his decrees goes tits-up and he attempts to blame everyone else? Time might  tell.

Trump manages slightly larger teams? That was a ruddy big team that invaded the Capital, but eh, nothing to do with me. <:0)

“Quite where NJ gets the idea that these might run to 50-60 pages…”

I didn’t get any such idea. I was referring to the documents I occasionally signed. I have no idea of the size of those The President was signing.

But it doesn’t really matter. The principle is the same. The idea that he would read through each and every document as he was signing them during what was a ceremony is ludicrous. 

For comparison, the EU’s Treaty of Lisbon is approximately 350 pages long, containing 70 articles. It was signed in a highly pretentious televised ceremony inside the 15th-century Jerónimos Monastery by 27 national delegates and the 3 EU presidents. Do you think each of the 30 signatories read the entire document to make sure it was in accord with the negotiations and agreements that had led up to it?

It's apparent that the filmed sequence was a ritual public demonstration that the pres is doing his job and delivering what his supporters were hoping for. I imagine all presidents have done shows like this. It's what they do over there.

Incidentally I recently noticed that a Republican thingy is trying to amend the Constitution to allow a pres to serve a third term. Should be interesting times ahead.

 

"The idea that he would read through each and every document as he was signing them during what was a ceremony is ludicrous. " - yes, moronic suggestion. Obviously they have officials prepare the doc for signing. You'd have to be some sort of wally to think the signer would read the whole thing before signing. Did Carter read the N hundred pages of the SALT agreement in the 70s?

> The idea that he would read through each and every document as he was signing them during what was a ceremony is ludicrous.

True. What is ludicrous is Trump saying during a signing ceremony that Spain is one of the BRICS nations - the exact quote:

> “They’re a BRICS nation, Spain. Do you know what a BRICS nation is? You’ll figure it out”

I saw and figured the things to be signed were already agreed in advance, and queries on each was for the camera, and viewers.

 

Mind you, you have to grant that Donald has a wicked sense of humour. Have you seen the reports on him sarcastically telling all how Keith Starmer has been doing very well, and how he admires and has a good relationship with him ?  It's the way he tells 'em.

just like any executive at the top of any big business, Mr Trump issues instructions and has experienced and trusted people to carry out those instructions. 

so the Lardy daah  over post office horizon computers ( summary - "not me gov, I am far too highly paid - I never sent them t prison - not little me!"  is an industry norm

Gawd, no wonder British Industry is down the jarn

The King here  has to sign all Acts of Parliament but as far as I know doesn't check each one first- probably doesn't even read aone page summary

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As part of my job I regularly sign off reports exceeding 100 pages – I can assure you that I read each page.

 

If any report contained complete nonsense (which some of them submitted to me do), my boss would be unimpressed (to say the least), if in my defence I said that I did not read the reports I signed off.

 

Maybe these people need to employ me, with the authority to sign off important documents.

Maybe that's a reflection of how much trust/faith you have in the ability of the people who work for you, Hymie. Did you recruit them?

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I did not recruit them (they work with me, not for me), but it’s more likely that my employer wants to ensure the reports are accurate and correct.

Do you let your mate Phil run his beady eye over them to make sure you haven't missed anything?

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