Expose EU dictatorship

[Hugh Spencer]

Here's another website for you to read if you are at all interested in the greatness of this country. Don't dismiss it until you have read it.
www.eutruth.org.uk

[jake-the-peg]

Oh I love this:

Gordon Brown, his Ministers, David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage, Nick Griffin and their senior colleagues are conscious EU collaborators.

especially as this web site belongs to David Noakes a leading U-kipper and failed leadership candidate!

http://news.bbc.co.uk..._politics/5214022.stm

Actually being very Pro EU I love this sort of website - it really shows up the U-Kippers as part of the loony brigade

[Hugh Spencer]

I am not afraid of debate but even before I came across these websites I was not happy to be so integrated within the EU. Many people say that our trade would be seriously affected but other countries have been doing very well outside the EU. The millions of £s given every day to the EU is staggering and the wastage within is tremendous besides the deceit and criminal activities going on. Knowing this already and then being told what is happening within our political parties is worrying. If these accusations are not true, who is going to go public and pronounce them as utter lies. That should be easy to do. Remaining silent could be intepreted as connivance with what is going on.

[jake-the-peg]

I don't think Nigel Farage is exactly remaining silent!

He's in my constituency so I've a pretty good idea - mind you judging the local paper he's going to get an utter pasting

This website simply show up the fued in UKIP

On our own we are a small country with limited economic influence - in the EU we are one of the 3 big players in the largest economy in the world.

[rojash]

I've just read "Seven deadly Lisbon Treaty clauses" from that site, and I have to say, I've never read such twaddle in all my life. The silliest one is the second point where they claim that because there is a definition of a political party at the European level, that somehow abolishes all existing parties at the national level.

[rojash]

"If these accusations are not true, who is going to go public and pronounce them as utter lies."
I will: "They are utter lies".

[chakka35]

Most of the stuff on that site is gross exaggeration and much of it rubbish.

If we stick to just the real truth about the EU, it becomes a matter of personal choice. Personally I am a democrat, preferring to be governed only by laws passed in our own parliament by our own elected representatives. It was the way I was brought up. And I am not a U-kipper, but a reasonable man.

Others don't mind being governed partly by our own parliament, partly by a European parliament of which we have elected only a fraction, and to a greater extent by a European Commission which has not been elected by anyone and is therefore not democratic at all.

Now, because Gordon Brown welshed on his pledge to allow us to stop it, we have an unelected president, and unelected foreign minister with a huge staff, and a new ability of the EU to enter treaties in its own right without consulting us. They also have the right to alter any terms in the constitution (aka Lisbon treaty) without consulting anyone, and we have lost our veto (i.e. our parliamentary sovereignty) in 40 - 50 areas.

It would be interesting to know how many of my fellow citizens are happy with all that.

Regarding our economy, jake, the most prosperous country in Europe is Norway, with Switzerland not far behind. Both have 100% access to the Single Market without any of the colossal expense and surrender of sovereignty involved in membership of the EU. Could UK follow that example?

Finally, I have just finished a book which shows (with every claim backed up with references so that you can check for yourself) that the fraud and fiddling practised by MEPs make our own MPs look like saints. Happy with that? I'm only asking...

[Hugh Spencer]

I am no financial expert but a quote today from an ex-City editor.
".........for Britain, membership of the EU has done nothing much more than spawn countless regulations which are part of a grand design to have the same laws, however futile, operating throughout all member countries. I am convinced that no trade or other agreements have been achieved through EU membership which would not have been achieved through normal intergovernment agreements. By contrast, the costs of our membership remain both financially and politically high. The costs would, of course, be even higher had we joined the EU zone........."

[jake-the-peg]

What a carefully selected quote from an unnamed city editor - I'm sold!!!

Hey perhaps you could find one from the head of a major bank - they're good with money

[Hugh Spencer]

What Andrew Alexander has written today is extremely valuable to me because, not being politically motivated and having spent years studying this subject, I trust his judgement more than the main political parties. I am open to listen to any independent observer on their views who can be trusted not to be biassed. All I am seeking is the truth about present matters and anything which can affect our country adversely. Truth is what I was brought up on and constantly seeking. The problem is, where can I find it !

[Hugh Spencer]

Just a sample from the Treaty of Lisbon, formerly the Reform Treaty.
Article 1a and 2.1-6 our new nation will be the Europian Union, not Britain.
2.1 It is the EU's values that count, not the wishes of the people.
2.2 and 2.3 Our former boundaries will mean nothing.
2.4 Will be used to force Britain into the Euro.
Article 8a 1-4 Prepares the way for the abolition of Westminster.
One of the truths of the EU - we now lose £30 billion a year trading with Europe. The EU's 111,000 regulations cost us £100 billion a year. You will be ruled by unelected EU dictators.
I hope all of you are looking forward to it.