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Premonitions
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Have you or do you have premonitions? I have since a child and they seem to be more prolific as I get older. Many times I've thought of something happening before the event and it's turned out exactly as I'd thought of it (does this indicate that the future is there already...?). I never take these "premonitions/thoughts" for granted and most times are shocked that they come about.
Some time ago one was awful as on the Saturday I mentioned to OH that someone we knew of but to do with our friend was going to pass away and it was so strong a feeling I wrote it in my diary. Didn't think too much about it but the following Thursday I had a phone call to say her sister had literally dropped down dead as she was walking to catch the bus. Her sister wasn't ill nor was there any concern for her health and she wasn't elderly either. This is one of many things that have come true that I've thought of prior to it happening over the years. Do you think it's coincidence or something that can't be explained?
Some time ago one was awful as on the Saturday I mentioned to OH that someone we knew of but to do with our friend was going to pass away and it was so strong a feeling I wrote it in my diary. Didn't think too much about it but the following Thursday I had a phone call to say her sister had literally dropped down dead as she was walking to catch the bus. Her sister wasn't ill nor was there any concern for her health and she wasn't elderly either. This is one of many things that have come true that I've thought of prior to it happening over the years. Do you think it's coincidence or something that can't be explained?
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Classylady, so what you are saying is that you are not having premonitions, certain thoughts drift around in your head, one of these thoughts may actually happen in real life, that is a coincidence, not a premonition. Just because a plane crashed, and at some point in the last few days a plain crash crossed your mind, that is not a premonition, that's a coincidence.
Well Ratter, how do I know it's a premonition until it's happened? Some things aren't specific, I didn't know that time about who it was we would hear about passing away but they were someone to do with my friends family. I had the thought and it came true...then I can say it was a premonition, isn't that the way it works or am I barking (love your dogs) up the wrong tree?
You can be convinced that the future is something that you have yet to experience from your viewpoint in the present, but that doesn't preclude the possibility that it already exists. One has to ask deep questions about the nature of time first, and not assume one already knows about it.
I, for one, am unconvinced early memories are simply taught memories. I recall lying in a carry cot, on my grandmother's table, whilst those around me were being quiet.
I, for one, am unconvinced early memories are simply taught memories. I recall lying in a carry cot, on my grandmother's table, whilst those around me were being quiet.
I see a premonition as a definite thought of something that will happen with some amount of detail, not just something that crosses your mind in a flash. If that was the case I think we would all be having thousands of premonition daily.
Just a thought that crosses your mind and then actually happens is not a premonition, its a coincidence.
Just a thought that crosses your mind and then actually happens is not a premonition, its a coincidence.
As i have already said, I think it is nonsense to think that the future can be seen (though it could be guessed at), but there is one proviso which no one has mentioned, and that is to suppose the 'future' has already happened, and we are in a parallel universe behind it ? - It's OK, the white van is just arriving to collect me. :-)
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My way of thinking too Ron, thanks for putting it in those words, I totally agree with you.
As for my premonitions...it's a case of my not believing in myself, I don't really accept these things will happen just because I've thought of it so that's why I'm rather taken aback when they do. When things happen exactly as one has seen them (which has been the case several times for me), it isn't coincidence surely (don't call me Shirley)...it's as though a future event has been played just as in a film. I can't explain it, never wanted it to happen to me but it has since a young child and now as an ancient old duffer it is more apparent. Sorry if you don't wish to believe me, but that's your problem not mine!
As for my premonitions...it's a case of my not believing in myself, I don't really accept these things will happen just because I've thought of it so that's why I'm rather taken aback when they do. When things happen exactly as one has seen them (which has been the case several times for me), it isn't coincidence surely (don't call me Shirley)...it's as though a future event has been played just as in a film. I can't explain it, never wanted it to happen to me but it has since a young child and now as an ancient old duffer it is more apparent. Sorry if you don't wish to believe me, but that's your problem not mine!
As Lazygun says, anecdotes are worthless as evidence. All we have had so far are incidents that are easily explained by coincidence.
Anyone who wants to pursuade a rational person that such things as ESP, premonitions, ghosts and the like actually exist has got to do much better than that.
If you want me to explain why anecdotes are not evidence please ask and I will with pleasure.
Anyone who wants to pursuade a rational person that such things as ESP, premonitions, ghosts and the like actually exist has got to do much better than that.
If you want me to explain why anecdotes are not evidence please ask and I will with pleasure.
Chakka what you mean about anecdotes, are you referring to the incident I mentioned re my friend's sister? It actually happened, I actually thought of it, told my OH about it on the Saturday AND wrote it down...how would that be an anecdote at the time? However if you didn't mean what I've written then yes please explain what you mean I'd be interested to hear. Everything is subjective when something happens to an individual when it comes to something of the brain or through the brain isn't it? Not every person will have the same thoughts will they so I can't really see that you are speaking about premonitions as anecdotes. Any "evidence" as you say would be by word of mouth at the time and then documented before the event....I don't have to convince anyone that what happens to me is true. I know what happens as it has done for many years...I was just interested to see if others had similar occurrences. As for ghosts et al, it's a different subject altogether IMO....
Very interesting thread. I for one don't have premonitions as such but I feel when something bad is going to happen or I'm going to receive bad news. My stomach goes tight I physically hurt for a few days and sometimes a few weeks usually this means very bad news. I feel it like a storm brewing and you know there's going to be a thunderstorm. This news is often out of the blue nothing I've been summizing over a period of time. There are many times I've left people and thought I'll never see that person again and it's not because they're old or ill. Our brains are such wonderful machines we don't know what's going on in there.
Classylady, I know of no way to correlate what you wrote in your diary with subsequent events however accurately your entry describes what actually transpired, but at the risk of an accusation of just being plain nosey, would you be willing to transcribe precisely the relevant material here for our consideration? I'm don't know of any way it could have been anything other than a coincidence but I find unexplained events of this nature no less fascinating to ponder.
Given the rather bazaar nature of what you describe, it is 'evidence' I would expect to be asked to submit for the sake of credibility had I been the one giving the account of a similar experience of my own . . .
Regardless, hope you enjoy the vid
Given the rather bazaar nature of what you describe, it is 'evidence' I would expect to be asked to submit for the sake of credibility had I been the one giving the account of a similar experience of my own . . .
Regardless, hope you enjoy the vid
classylady, anecdotes are not evidence because, by definition, an anecdote is a verbal description of something which has already happened and which therefore cannot be investigated at first hand. An example:
Jimmy tells us that he saw a vision of his dead brother Charlie at 10pm last Tuesday while he (Jimmy) was lying in bed. We can't know whether Jimmy...
... was dreaming or hallucinating
... was deceived by lighting, shadows or circumstances about which we know nothing
...was wishfully thinking ...or..
...is lying.
Anyone is entitled to decide, on a personal basis, whether to share Jimmy's belief or not. But because of the above unknowns, Jimmy's anecdote cannot be considered evidence for ghosts.
Jimmy tells us that he saw a vision of his dead brother Charlie at 10pm last Tuesday while he (Jimmy) was lying in bed. We can't know whether Jimmy...
... was dreaming or hallucinating
... was deceived by lighting, shadows or circumstances about which we know nothing
...was wishfully thinking ...or..
...is lying.
Anyone is entitled to decide, on a personal basis, whether to share Jimmy's belief or not. But because of the above unknowns, Jimmy's anecdote cannot be considered evidence for ghosts.
I dreamed the lottery numbers once, years ago. When I woke up, I even told the hubby the 5 numbers that I could remember, but didn't put them on...doh!
All 5 came up the following Saturday (it was in the days when it was only drawn on Sat) but I couldn't remember the 6th number I dreamed.
Weird, but very true!
All 5 came up the following Saturday (it was in the days when it was only drawn on Sat) but I couldn't remember the 6th number I dreamed.
Weird, but very true!
i hadnt seen my uncle dave in about 10 years, and when i saw him at my nans funeral i remarked to my sister that i had an uneasy feeling about him...to me he didnt look well...nothing obvious, no-one else noticed anything...but something about his face made me vaguely concerned that he was not well and wouldnt last long...
he died...3 years later... and my sister said 'ooh you said that didnt you'...
i said yes...but 3 years is hardly 'not long left'...she took it as though id had a premonition...but i just looked closely at how different he looked...but she wanted to see it as though id 'known' somehow...even though she hates things like that as they frighten her...
he died...3 years later... and my sister said 'ooh you said that didnt you'...
i said yes...but 3 years is hardly 'not long left'...she took it as though id had a premonition...but i just looked closely at how different he looked...but she wanted to see it as though id 'known' somehow...even though she hates things like that as they frighten her...
