To Elderman, mymom and any other JW or JW like "organisation"

[DTCwordfan]

Scenario:

You have a 15 or 16 year old son who comes to you and say "Dad, Mom, (Mum), this is all a load of hogwash and I do not believe a word you say or what the Church preaches and the Bible is a lot of hogwash to explain the unexplainable.

He persists at this line and is adamant about it.

Do you kick him out of your house and family?

What would you do to a JW colleague in the same boat? Condone this action?

Just that there are reports that many JWs have done this to their offspring....

[DTCwordfan]

As voodoo folk have a habit of going on and on, suggest that you try West Wittering Beach, not far from you, JJ

[joko]

my friend is/was a JW and she was beaten because she was considered the bad sheep for not wanting to continue in the church as an adult... for years she was ostracised and although her family have softened a bit now and they are friends againn she is still excluded form wider family events...

[DTCwordfan]

No to the c-and-p this time, mymom, as you can tell by the way people write......one of the give-aways with JW text is the very words and structure used. I am in the writing business and they are easy to spot and then double-check with a google.

Yes, it is true that kids get chucked out of families for all sorts of reason from drugs to cross-sect issues and I am not condoning or supporting those - they are separate debates.

My question is deliberately targeted at JWs as there have beens some disconcerting stories about those kids who are contrary in their beliefs being kicked out, both inside AB and outside. The Amish are not amiss to casting out their "non-belief" children either....

For that reason of "contrary religious belief, or non-belief" only is pretty abhorrent, especially when kids need to explore and develop their own value and ethical base...........

[Mymom]

joko: As in every aspect of society there is always the exception to the rule. This may be the case here. I know of a JW family whose daughter has chosen not to follow their faith but she is not cast out.

[LazyGun]

@Mymom -so whats to say that your friends/daughters experience is not the exception then?

Shunning, ostracizing - techniques employed by the ultra-conservative religious sects - but you can see similar things happening in, for instance, isolated communities or political movements / struggles. Religion tends to be a more powerful stimulus though, and if we shrugged off religion we would have one less reason to act horribly to each other. Good thing, in my estimation.

[beso]

I was quite struck by a JW I met when I was still a student. The woman went to great lengths to explain how worthless she was.

It left a strong impresion that their church damaged people psychologically.

[venator]

Still no comment from any of our talkative friends....

From experience some years ago, a non-JW child can be tolerated in a JW family if he/she keeps his/her head down.

[shanghi]

I know many JW’s who, before becoming witnesses were involved in drug abuse, drunkenness and other degraded ways of life. Others were caught up in commercial ventures and were full of tension and anxiety because of the instability of the economy and their quest for financial security. Why did they become witnesses? Because someone cared enough about his neighbour to preach the truth of God’s word to him.
Paul stresses the obligation of the parents before God: “And you, fathers, do not be irritating your children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and authoritative advice of Jehovah.” (Eph. 6:4) Note that parents are accountable before God to bring their children up, not only in the authoritative advice of Jehovah, but also in the discipline of Jehovah. It is in this matter of discipline that parents sometimes are lax. Though showing loving care and attention, though teaching them God’s Word, parents may fail to enforce Jehovah’s laws. Since parents will render an account for the way they bring up their children, the question arises: What is Jehovah’s discipline?

[venator]

That's great, Shanghi, but can you answer the question in plain English, not quotes from JW scripts?

[naomi24]

Oh Gawd! Another one! Or is it the same one? Registered on AB yesterday.

[venator]

Don't frighten it off, Naomi - this is a thread about JW family relationships, and we may get a straight answer - I have fourpence in bets hanging on this... <]:-)

[naomi24]

Haaa! :o)

[RATTER15]

Strewth DT, you've managed to unearth another bloody JW, I think that Shangi is probably just another of Elderman's shadowy figures though.

They are a bit of a slimey lot if you ask me!!

We actually have a resident in my care home that is JW we get on very well, I dont discuss her beliefs in detail, she asked about my beliefs, I told her im an Atheist, she looked a little surprised and said "if ever you need to discuss this, please dont hesitate to come and see me" I just smilled and said "Ditto"

On Christmas day I made a special point of visiting her and we both had something in common, No one of any great importance was born on that day!!

We celebrated a time of giving receiving and love for our families and friends!!

It was quite sweet actually. :))

[naomi24]

Shanghi, //Though showing loving care and attention, though teaching them God’s Word, parents may fail to enforce Jehovah’s laws. Since parents will render an account for the way they bring up their children, the question arises: What is Jehovah’s discipline? //

It's just as well parents do fail to enforce Jehovah's discipline. He advises killing disobedient children.

[beso]

I was going to suggest that Shanghai was just another account by TruthRebounds. But I have come to realise that they might well all be individuals. It is just that they are so uniformily indoctrinated that they seem like the same person to us.

Similar with the suggestion they are robots. They just seem like robots through the automatonic response to every question.

Then of course it could just be TruthAbounds/Elderman wanting to post on a thread asking for input from JWs without inviting the suggestion that he is one.

[beso]

The first of God's Laws I abandoned as I brought up my children was having to stone them to death when they disobeyed. Always seemed just a little harsh as a punishment.

[shanghi]

Yes, I have just joined this site. But I am not going to get into arguments but I will answer any Bible based questions.
As to family life. Jehovah's Witnesses love their children as much as you do. We want the best for them. If they decide as they grow older that they don't want to be witnesses we respect their choice. We continue to love them and regardless of what people have said here, we do not beat them, or stone them. (That was done away with centuries ago btw Beso).
If you want to know facts about Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs their website is

[naomi24]

Shanghi, you asked a question to which you were given the answer, but that particular rule you say has now been done away with. How come you can pick and choose which of your God's rules you want to follow? Was he wrong?

[RATTER15]

shanghi = Elderman?

[naomi24]

Shanghi, you said you will answer any bible based questions. I do hope you're going to answer mine.