Lord Jagannath.

[wildwood]

Any Theists on here that think these spiritual villagers are nuts?

http://af.reuters.com...idAFTRE5A91E620091110

[sith123]

Naomi, only a person who did not have any common sence would see that by the way you write, act and debate you think you are clever. You may not be as you have said. You may be. i do not know. being clever is not bad and i am happy to have someone with a greater knowledge than me to debate against me. However the way you go about it is wrong.

[sith123]

and actually the same does not apply to christianity. Islam is faster growing. Christianity is bigger. Islam may catch up i do not know. But they are not the same. Of course, to an atheist they probably are though ;)

[naomi24]

Sith, oh dear. More criticism. My sins are great indeed! If you feel the way I go about debating is ‘all wrong’, which way would you prefer me to go about it?

For the reasons I’ve given, most of the older religions have grown considerably in the past 1000 years – which is the time span you mentioned. And yes, to an atheist they are all the same.

[dickythecook]

I thought this thread started over a turtle
'Sides which I thought the Great A'Tuin was a lot bigger

[Khandro]

You are quite correct D t c , the turtle seems to have gone out with the tide.

[sith123]

yes naomi. they have grown. There not going backwards like you stated earlier are they???

[naomi24]

Sith, what on earth does Islam ‘going backwards’ have to do with its growing in numbers? This is what you said.

//During the crusade era muslims who were truly religious, more religious than we are now were one of the cleverest doctors in the world.//

The Crusades took place a very long time ago, so where is that intellect you describe now? Where are Islam’s great scholars and men of science? As I said, Islam has gone backwards.

[sith123]

dr zakir naik, dr abdur raheem green, dr yusef estes, bilal phillips, ibrahim green

and more at: http://en.wikipedia.o...lim_scholars_of_Islam

[naomi24]

Sith, that is not a list of prominent Muslim scholars and scientists - it is a list of scholars of Islam - and there are thousands of those around.

[jomifl]

Sith, the reason the number of muslims has increased could be that the number of people has increased, can you prove otherwise? When you are trying to find a reason for something you have to consider all the possibilities, not just those that suit your purposes. If you try to be deceitful the truth will find you out just as it always has done. If you are correct the truth will support you, you need not fear it.

[sith123]

have you even heard of dr zakir naik. He is the most famous muslim scholar in modern day. perhaps you should listen to him. You can learn a thing or two. If i read richard dawkins you should listen to zakir naik. i doubt you will though.

besides. just because you have not heard of them there not great??? If youve heard of something than its great? that literally makes me laugh.

[jomifl]

Why does islam need so many scholars, isn't god's word clear enough?

[sith123]

i agree jom, but than surely all religions would be increasing at a simmilar rate? there not. Christianity is slowly decreasing hence why it is in the news a lot and Hinduism and sikhism are staying roughly the same.

[sith123]

gods word is clear. But how are normal people who do not read the quran going to learn about islam. Through scholors. Everyone has a sort of scholor. i mean, richard dawkins, he writes books on atheism. therefore he is teaching. so he is a teacher and a scholor for atheism.

[jomifl]

Sith, Richard Dawkins, before he gained fame or notoriety as an atheist was a very well respected scientist researching evolutionary genetics, a friend of mine was a colleague of his. He has actually added to the sum of human knowledge and advanced our understanding of the world. All most islamic scholars seem to do is read and re-read the koran and interpret it and other scholars interpretations. It seems rather closed and incestuous to me and adds very little to our understanding of anything, probably not even the koran. Koanic scholars have spent about one and a half millenia arguing and fighting over the meaning of the koran but I doubt that we or they are any wiser about the koran or ever will be.

[sith123]

research dr zakir naik. He is a actual doctor and is very clever.

might as well put the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakir_Naik

[jomifl]

Sith, I am not impressed with someone being an actual doctor, I have worked with actual doctors most of my working life and some have been visiting professors. They don't necessarily deserve our respect because they have some letters after their name.

[sith123]

yes, but if you hear him speak youll know what i mean. just type his name in somewhere and watch a video. Even if you do not like it were not all entitled to have the same opinion :)

[sith123]

sorry mean own opinion

[naomi24]

Sith, so in answer to my question "Where are Islam’s great scholars and men of science?" you give me a list of scholars of Islam rather than Islamic scholars - and one doctor. In that instance, I rest my case.

And no answer to my other question concerning your criticism of me, so I'll repeat it. //If you feel the way I go about debating is ‘all wrong’, which way would you prefer me to go about it?//

//If i read richard dawkins you should listen to zakir naik. i doubt you will though. //

Never doubt it, Sith. I’ll watch or read anything concerning religion – not that I need to listen to scholars of Islam. I’ve spoken to more than I care to remember.